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cavediver
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Message 52 of 134 (492185)
12-29-2008 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Peg
12-29-2008 4:56 AM


Re: Complex Issues Don't Need Simplistic Answers
PaulK writes:
I have found some of the text online, at Google Books and it seems that you - or your unnamed source - have misrepresented Smith
Firstly your "quote" more closely resembles a quote from the Christian writer Eusebius and is not even an exact representation of that. Secondly Smith admits that the only references to "speech" are a guess - he does not know the true meaning of the word. Even the reference to a "tower" is questionable - let alone the identification of a specific "tower".
Worse for you, the "columns" referred to by Smith are columns of writingon a tablet. Not actual columns. It seems that your source had not read Smith carefully enough to even understand that much.
(And, of course, even if Smith had found an Assyrian version of a Babylonian legend that resembled the Bible story it would not be significant evidence that there was an actual historieforecal event. Especially as the archaeological and linguistic evidence shows that human peoples and languages had split long before).
Peg writes:
perhaps you should visit the British museum some time lol
If this is what you think of as an adequate and intelligent reply to PaulK's research and critique, then perhaps intellectual debate is not for you...? Can you do better than this?

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cavediver
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Message 53 of 134 (492186)
12-29-2008 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Peg
12-29-2008 5:04 AM


Re: Complex Issues Don't Need Simplistic Answers
Peg writes:
populations tend to do that... if you have 10 couples, they will likely produce 10 children in a year
if you have 500 couples, they will likely produce 500
it doesnt take much to work out that the longer a population reproduces, the greater the reproduction rate.
in 40,000 years, you'd certainly expect a larger population then 300,000.
The naivety shown here is quite typical of creationists. What is so laughable is the use of phrases such as "it doesnt take much to work out..." and "you'd certainly expect..." in amongst so much erroneous crap.
Those with sufficient intellectual curiosity to be interested in true population dynamics could start here at Wiki and follow through the associated links.

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cavediver
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Message 59 of 134 (492198)
12-29-2008 7:04 AM
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12-29-2008 6:29 AM


Re: Complex Issues Don't Need Simplistic Answers
f the population of Tasmania (Australia's bottom island) is almost 1/2 million in a little over 200years
surely a tribe of people would produce more then 300,000 in 40,000 years
The two are utterly incomparable.
anyone who would think otherwise must have rocks in their head
Or just has a reasonable grasp of population dynamics. Unlike you, who simply exhibits the standard creationist willful ignorance/cognative dissonance. Have you no interest in actually learning something?

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cavediver
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Message 90 of 134 (492525)
01-01-2009 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Peg
01-01-2009 5:28 AM


Re: It's Contradiction Time!
no, i dont like carbon dating because it is based on the assumption that the levels of C14 were the same in the the prehsitoric earth, as it is today
Peg, I cannot believe your audacity in accusing others of arrogance. Here you are again making a definite statement as if you are some authority on the subject, that is so utterly false it shows you know nothing. THIS is arrogance.
Once again, I suggest you learn something about a subject before setting yourself up as knowledgable. Or at very least, write 'I have read that carbon dating is based upon the assumption...' That way it is clear to us that it is the writer of what you read who is the liar/idiot, and not you...
Now, go cure your ignorance and read about carbon dating here, and focus especially on the sub-section marked calibration.
Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.

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cavediver
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Message 91 of 134 (492527)
01-01-2009 7:31 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Peg
12-30-2008 6:49 AM


Peg's misrepresentations...
Peg writes:
archeologist unearthed several temple towers at the ancient site of babylon and one inscription read "The building of this temple offended the gods. In a night they threw down what had been built. They scattered them abroad, and made strange their speech. The progress they impeded.”
granny magda writes:
Where does that quote come from? Here is the entire text of the tablets...
Peg writes:
When the assyrian kings library was discovered, they found around 10,000 tablets...they collected up all they could and took them to the british museum. Its from these tablets that we have information about ancient Assyria and its kings and their way of life etc.
the following quote is found on page 48 in smiths book. Smith being one of the interpreters of the tablets...
PaulK writes:
That quote does NOT come from the Assyrian tablets. The sources are even listed at the end ! (Eusebius and Syncellus). You misrepresent Smith yet again.
Peg writes:
i have no need to misrepresent anyone
Oh Peg, so why do it?
Please acknowledge your "mistake" and we can move on. Your dishonest attempts to squirm out of this claim are not pretty, but they are typical of many creationist we encounter here. It does seem that dishonesty is a major unifying trait amongst creationists... perhaps you can begin to change that appearance?
Edited by cavediver, : subtitle change

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cavediver
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Message 93 of 134 (492529)
01-01-2009 7:40 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Peg
01-01-2009 7:34 AM


Re: It's Contradiction Time!
my apologies for not having a PHD
Who said anything about a PhD, degree, or even an advanced school qualification? If you can read, you have no excuse. If you have the ability to use a forum on the internet on which you are able to criticise carbon dating, then you are equally capable of actually learning something about the subject first, to prevent drawing mockery upon yourself...

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cavediver
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From: UK
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Message 96 of 134 (492535)
01-01-2009 8:06 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Peg
01-01-2009 7:47 AM


Re: It's Contradiction Time!
We're way off-topic (my fault) so please put your money where your mouth is and present your skepticism here

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