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Author Topic:   Evolutionarily Drawn to Nature?
onifre
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Message 31 of 40 (492000)
12-25-2008 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by RAZD
12-07-2008 7:06 PM


Re: Are people part of nature?
I just wanted to take back my 80° comment.

I just spent, and am still currently enjoying, Christmas in NYC. The snow, the weather, the streets with the people, its all very festive and true to the seasonal emotion.

I've spent most of my Christmas holidays in Miami, this one has to be the best one yet.


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Taz
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Message 32 of 40 (492027)
12-26-2008 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by RAZD
12-11-2008 9:13 PM


Re: Are people part of nature?
RAZD writes:

Happened to me back in the late 50's...


It amazes me how old you guys are...

before tents had floors and mosquito netting, back when scouts "ditched" around their tents - which we had not done.

May I ask what the hell you are talking about here?
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bluescat48
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Message 33 of 40 (492030)
12-26-2008 2:45 PM
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12-26-2008 12:02 PM


Re: Are people part of nature?
It amazes me how old you guys are...

Why should it amaze anyone? These forums tend to have people of all ages and mentalities.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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Taz
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Message 34 of 40 (492031)
12-26-2008 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by bluescat48
12-26-2008 2:45 PM


Re: Are people part of nature?
Try to think of it from my perspective. You guys wave around a phrase like "back in the 50s..." while I tend to think of it as ancient history. I'm still waiting for the BIG 30.
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onifre
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Message 35 of 40 (492089)
12-28-2008 5:11 AM
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12-26-2008 3:19 PM


Re: Are people part of nature?
Try to think of it from my perspective. You guys wave around a phrase like "back in the 50s..." while I tend to think of it as ancient history. I'm still waiting for the BIG 30.

I'm right there with you Taz, when I first got to this forum I too was taken a back with phrases like that. lol

I just hit the BIG 33, it's no fun. I'm pretty sure 60 sucks too but, 33 sucks right now. :D


"All great truths begin as blasphemies"

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky


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Message 36 of 40 (492106)
12-28-2008 10:00 AM
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12-28-2008 5:11 AM


Re: Are people part of nature?
Actually, I feel that it is somewhat inherent that people tend to relate more to their formative years than to their adulthood. I find that people my age (60ish) tend to relate more to the 50's & 60's than to the 70's and beyond. The 70's, 80's. & 90's are like a blur. I think this could be the movement from innocence to the reality of life.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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petrophysics1
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Message 37 of 40 (492205)
12-29-2008 8:26 AM
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12-26-2008 3:19 PM


Re: Are people part of nature?
In 68 I was working in a steel mill and had a friend Danny there who's dad was dead but who's grandfather was still alive. He was 105 years old. When he told me this I suddenly realized that his grandfather was alive while Lincoln was president.

Now that's ancient history.

Tents in the past had no floor so you had to dig a small trench around the tent to keep the rain from flowing under the wall and onto the the ground inside. Always best to make it so the water drained away.

BTW I don't regard beaver dams or lodges or birds nests or bee hives as unnatural. Since man is part of nature I don't regard his buildings or the civilization he has built as unnatural either.

Man being a special creation outside of the natural world appears to be a religious idea, although it appears many atheists seem to feel this way as well. At least they seem to remove or regard man's creations as being outside of nature.

Happy New Year


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bluescat48
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Message 38 of 40 (492239)
12-29-2008 3:17 PM
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12-29-2008 8:26 AM


Re: Are people part of nature?
BTW I don't regard beaver dams or lodges or birds nests or bee hives as unnatural. Since man is part of nature I don't regard his buildings or the civilization he has built as unnatural either.

not unnatural but made with naturally occurring objects. Human structures require, for the most part, an alteration of the natural substances, ie: smelting of metals, processing of wood, making cement.
I don't recall ever seeing a beaver using a cement mixer or a bird using a chainsaw.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969


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onifre
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Message 39 of 40 (492241)
12-29-2008 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by bluescat48
12-28-2008 10:00 AM


Re: Are people part of nature?
I find that people my age (60ish) tend to relate more to the 50's & 60's than to the 70's and beyond.

IMO the 50's and 60's were more influential than the 70's and 80's.


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onifre
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Message 40 of 40 (492243)
12-29-2008 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by bluescat48
12-29-2008 3:17 PM


Re: Are people part of nature?
I don't recall ever seeing a beaver using a cement mixer or a bird using a chainsaw.

I think what petro meant was that our ability to think and process gives us the natural ability to create tools to ease or work.

We are a part of nature, anything that stems from our naturally evolved traits is too a part of our natural world.

I would, if I could, ask a beaver or a bird if they would prefer a chainsaw rather than their teeth or beaks, respectively. I think they would say "yes, please, I'm tired of this chewing on bark shit". lol


"All great truths begin as blasphemies"

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky


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