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Agobot
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Message 16 of 19 (491890)
12-23-2008 4:35 PM


Speaking of animals communication, i just want to throw something in there. Whales could communicate with each other over vast distances. Sometimes these distances are so great that one of the whales can be around New York and the other near the Great Barrier Reef in Australia. Nowadays, merchant vessels drone is disturbing their abilities but several hundred years ago this was of daily occurence.
There is another point of interest - if a whale sang for 30 min. and stoppped his song at some point(stopped singing for long periods), that same whale would continue that same song from the exact point at which he stoppped sometimes a whole year later. Poor us, took us 50 thousand years to invent the internet and catch up with whales.

  
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Message 17 of 19 (491928)
12-24-2008 11:10 AM


Jeesh, folks! There's already a thread for talking about animal speech/communication. Maybe we could talk about something different around this place for a change?
Let's start by shifting our focus back to the subject of the OP: "Are Words in Your Brain?" Then after that, we could address Phat's concluding questions:
One thing that came to my mind is why the brains of people speaking different languages would be otherwise identical. Another philosophical issue to be pondered is what the impact of words are as pertaining to awareness and intelligence.
These really are more interesting topics than the hash you folks keep (re)coughing up.
Jon

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Message 18 of 19 (492450)
12-31-2008 2:02 PM
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12-24-2008 11:10 AM


Linguistics Yoda
Tell us why people speak different languages. I mean, a dog barks the same in China as in Cleveland. A Cats meow sounds the same the world over. Why must humans sound so very different? Is it a conscious effort to differentiate ourselves on our part?

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Message 19 of 19 (492512)
01-01-2009 3:01 AM
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12-31-2008 2:02 PM


Re: Linguistics Yoda
Hi Phat,
quote:
I mean, a dog barks the same in China as in Cleveland. A Cats meow sounds the same the world over.
At the risk of coughing up more hash, I don't think that's true. Dogs are thought to show regional variation in their vocalisations. Birds certainly do.
I think that the main difference is in how the vocalisation is hard-wired into the brain. Take this example of a cruel, yet fascinating experiment on chaffinches.
take some newly-laid birds' eggs, incubate them separately in soundproof chambers, hand-rear each young one (also in individual and acoustic isolation) and then see as each bird grew up what sounds it produced. At Cambridge, England, some chaffinches were reared in these exacting conditions. Even when nearly a year old they sang very simple songs, representing as the experiment intended, the inborn component of the song. In the wild, a young bird would add the finer details during the first few weeks of its life, having learnt them from its father and other cock chaffinches within hearing;
Source There are some sonographs and audio samples on that page.
In the finches, part of the actual song is hard-wired. The isolated finches' song was still recognisably chaffinch-like, but it was not well developed. This is markedly different to humans, where all that is hard-wired is the propensity to learn language; the actual specifics of the language are learnt. An English baby brought up by Chinese parents would surely have no difficulty learning Mandarin.
Perhaps specific languages are hard-wired to some extent, but far less than in animals. That strikes me as the major difference between human and animal vocalisations.
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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