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Message 40 of 81 (473116)
06-27-2008 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by rueh
06-26-2008 3:26 PM


Re: Naughty God
rueh writes:
Ok, real or metephorical beside the point. I understand. What I don't get is that Adam and Eve were naked and were sexual creatures already. They were already told by God that doing so was good and within his wishes.
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Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it
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And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, a sixth day.
Now why does it all of a sudden become shamefull to Adam and Eve. It is not God who became ashamed of their nakedness,it is Adam and Eve.
Before knowledge
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Genesis 2:25 the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed.
Maybe it is because the man formed from the dust of the ground in Genesis 2:7 and the woman that was made from a rib from that man some time later after all animals and fowls had been named. The garden planted and man put in charge of it. The woman does not appear until Genesis 2:22.
This couple did not know they were naked until after they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
The man and woman created not formed or made in Genesis 1:27 was told to replenish the earth. They were both created at the same time male and female. They were never placed in a garden.
This couple could have been created fully clothed, nowhere does it say they were are were not.
That is two different stories about two different couples.
I hope this doesn't muddy the water too much.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 50 of 81 (492563)
01-01-2009 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by jaywill
01-01-2009 9:13 AM


Re: Who told you ... ?
Hi jay,
Why are you having such a problem with this question? The answer should be simple.
jaywill writes:
Whose the WHO?
The same who that tells you when you do something wrong.
Eve did not know she was naked when she ate the fruit as her eyes were not opened until the man ate the fruit. When their eyes were opened then they knew evil.
The only being that convicts anyone of anything is the Holy Spirit.
The trigger was man willfully disobeying God. He chose to eat the fruit. He was not deceived by the serpent. The woman gave him the fruit and he chose to eat it knowing what it was.
I personally believe the man chose to eat the fruit and die with the woman as they were one. Genesis 2:24.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 52 of 81 (492568)
01-01-2009 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by jaywill
01-01-2009 11:35 AM


Re: Who told you ... ?
Hi jay,
jaywill writes:
I don't know how you can be so sure about that. Why not each as soon as they ate had their eyes opened?
That is simple she would have been telling the man how she looked so good and beautiful. Just look at this magnificient body I have.
But she would have known it was evil and would not have given to the man to eat.
jaywill writes:
No ICANT. The Devil also accuses the conscience.
We have a flesh body. It is evil and belongs to the devil because it was sold to him by the first man.
We have a spirit that the Holy Spirit speaks to us from.
We have a mind where the battle takes place.
The devil works on the mind and convinces people as eve to defy God and choose to do what they think is right.
The Holy Spirit then trys to convince the mind the devil is wrong and lying.
Man then has to choose who he will listen too. The devil or the Holy Spirit.
That is the choice the man made in the garden.
God had said don't do it. The devil that old serpent convinced the woman that God did not know what was best and when presented with the option of disobeying by eating the fruit or obeying by not eating the fruit. The man chose to disobey and eat the fruit.
jaywill writes:
That does make for a great romantic love story, I must admit.
Probably though, Adam should have said "Sweetie, you're on your own this time."
But then he would be in the garden alone with the animals and God.
There would be no you and I seting at a computer talking about why that man did what he did.
I am going to ramble a little here.
As I contemplate the situation I do not believe this man had a choice. I believe it was necessary for him to make the decision that he made. Just as it is necessary for the devil to do his job and he had no choice in the matter. When you look at the big picture it is all necessary for them to do what they did so you and I could have a choice.
If you remember I have stated on several occasions that I believe the man in Genesis 2:7 and the man in Genesis 1:27 are two different men at a different time.
The man in Genesis 2:7 was formed from the dust of the earth and God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and he became a living soul. The word translated soul here means living being and has nothing to do with spirit. Nowhere does it say this man was created in the image/likeness of God. This man was a special being as he could be in the presence of God. Moses face glowed after glimpsing the hinder parts of God. Yet this man could be in the presence of God.
The man in Genesis 1:27 was created in the image/likeness of God.
Body, Mind, and Spirit. This man has always had a choice.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 61 of 81 (492741)
01-02-2009 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Blue Jay
01-02-2009 2:02 PM


Re: A whole lotta Love
Hi Mantis,
Mantis writes:
I've never actually heard it claimed that Adam and Eve didn't have gonads in the Garden, but I have heard it claimed that their gonads were non-functional, like a pre-pubescent child's. So, Adam and Eve were unable to reproduce until after the Fall.
You ever thought about they did not even know they were naked. If they did not know they were naked they did not know they were different. Just a thought.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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