Simultaneous appearance of written language and common man

Hi Tanndarr, im basing this is on hard archeological evidence... i'm basing it on the written language which includes the use of symbols and pictures to communicate abstract thought...ie, 'this land was purchased by so and so' OR 'the king has decreed the following set of laws' etc etc etcthe earliest known writings are known to come from the Mesopotamia region and the strongest finds have been in Syrian finds such as Babylonia/Assyria dating back around 3,000BCE which places them at the time after the flood.this is in tune with the bibles account that people were all situated in this region of the earth before spreading abroad.What can account for the seemingly 'unrelated' written languages appearing in different places is that, after the languages were confused at Babel (Babylon) then the people spread out and had to develop their own forms of writing for these new languages.a few external links you may be interested in.History of Writing
History of writing - Wikipedia
HISTORY OF WRITING

you're righti dont trust carbon dating...not one little bitAs this subject is not about the accuracy or 'inaccuracy' of carbon dating though, i wont be going into it... nor do i need to be an expert to be skeptical.

they used calendarsactually they invented calendars and recorded their history using dates...this is how we know when certain kings came to power, how long they ruled for, who they invaded and conquered etccarbon dating a written record is not necessary

and yet, if it has a date inscribed, you could just look at the date

not if carbon dating is flawed to begin withthere are other methods of dating they can use...type of material, style of writing for examplethe writings of historians who may have recorded certain events, they can look at other artifacts collected from the sitehow did they date things before carbon dating was invented?

they can scientifically test the material to find out what type of material was used, where it is found and the era that the particular materials were used...they can also cross check with similar materials etcfor example, the shroud of turin was found to be a fake long before it was carbon dated. The new catholic encyclopedia says “There is no evidence of a shroud during the first centuries of the Christian era,” so, if it was around then, there would have been evidence of it among the early christians and those who actually handled the body of christthey could also compare the writings with other writings to see if they are all in agreement... the writings of 'St Thomas' was checked this way and it was found that the ideas of this supposed gospel was in contradiction to the teachings of Christ and so it was excluded from the biblical cannon.

i agree with you there, we would definitely need to know how any such calendars workedabout the dates though, the jews kept the dates of their history meticulously...so meticulously in fact that we know the exact year of the flood, of Adams creation, of the exodus from egypt ectit stands to reason that if the jews kept dates and worked from a clander, other nations also did this

yes thats rightwe do see that because when the languages became confused, each group went off in their own direction and formulated their own writing systemshence why the sudden appearance of various types and styles of writting.

until we understand what Incan written language was, we may never knowbut i see what you are saying

i dont need to bob and weave..im more then happy to address thischronology is worked out by counting the time between major events... im giving only the 3 you've asked for here...there are other events that also add to biblical chronology.Exodus from Egypt - 1513 BCE
Two chronological statements harmonize to produce this date. Solomon began the building of the temple in his fourth year of kingship (1034 B.C.E.), and this is stated at 1 Kings 6:1 to be “the four hundred and eightieth year” from the time of the Exodus (1513 B.C.E.).the flood - 2370 B.C.E
Many years were spent building the ark, and they went into it “in the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month (Oct-NOv), on the seventeenth day of the month.” Ge 7:11Adams creation - 4026 B.C.E
Adam lived 930 years, Ge 5:3-32 gives a line of decent from Adam, to the start of the flood (when noah was 600yrs old) there were a total of 1,656 years.im happy to clarify anything here with more detailed information.Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

i have read your links and it is still glaringly obvious that ...as is stated in paragraph 1 of your 2nd link...'it is all but universally accepted among scholars that the Sumerian cuneiform script of c. 3000 BC is the earliest form of writing.'the history of human writing is very new, especially if you take prehistory into consideration or believe that humans have been evolving fom millions of years on this planetthe last 6,000 years is nothing more then the blink of an eye, yet it seems this is where our 'humanity' began

the date for the building of the temple comes from following chronology...from the exodus in egypt to the construction of the temple was 479years.the Bible does not name the Pharaoh who initiated the oppression upon the Israelites (Ex 1:8-22) so it is not possible to assign these events to any specific dynasty nor to the reign of any particular Pharaoh of secular history.its more likely that the name “Rameses” was simply the name of a district in the time of Joseph.all that scripture you've quoted says is that they built the cities 'Pithom' and 'Rameses' It does not say that Rameses was a person/ruler

i was sure it was the 2nd link, but when i checked it wasnt there but was one of the links i followed from that page, so i apologise for the confusion.
It was actually here Vina symbols - Wikipedia
i wasn't plagiarizing ... not deliberately anyway lol And this takes us back to your 2nd Link about proto writing of 4,000BCE ...
and to the link for the vinca symbols that i posted above.Perhaps there is an even older writing that has not been discovered yet. Moses got his information about the pre flood world from written records as can be seen by his comment... “This is the book of the generations of Adam.” The use of the word book implies writing. ”Adam’s written history’ (Gen. 2:5 to 5:2)

please dont twist my words into something absurdi was not saying that at allplease name me one animal with a language the doesnt consist of grunts and growls... one animal that writes its history in stone ... one animal that has anything remotely similar to human language and writinghumans of today are unique to this ability and even those who cannot read or write can still speak a language and can 'learn' to read and write it Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

i appreciate that and fully expect it.Please keep in mind that i have no external evidence for these dates...it is purely based on biblical chronology so if i was a jew and wanted to know when the exodus was for instance, i'd grab my old testament and use the biblical chronology to work it out.