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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 136 of 493 (492658)
01-02-2009 1:08 AM


anyway moving on
im very happy you are providing insight for me at this time.2nd question regards how many animals it would take for M.Y.T.H to progress to being human.I see you have provided a clue that long extinct primates were our ancestors.However they are missing some links.How many links are we missing here and how many different types or kinds of animals did the human race progress through?

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Message 137 of 493 (492659)
01-02-2009 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-02-2009 1:01 AM


Re: evening all.
Golly. If you came up with that M.Y.T.H. thing yourself, I'll say one thing. It's wittier than "Fish to Gish," even if it is just as ignorant.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 138 of 493 (492660)
01-02-2009 1:10 AM
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01-02-2009 1:08 AM


Re: evening all.
feel free to educate me.

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Message 139 of 493 (492661)
01-02-2009 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-02-2009 1:10 AM


Re: evening all.
If you've read everything in this thread and can still ask the questions you're asking, I'm afraid you are beyond educating.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 140 of 493 (492667)
01-02-2009 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-02-2009 1:01 AM


Re: evening all.
so you cant name it then.
But we don't expect to be able to. This isn't required for the Theory of Evolution to be an accurate explanation for the diversity of life on Earth.
Its actually relevant to a beginner like myself because if i was the sceptical sort i could possibly think you have arrived at a conclusion without providing any evidence whatsoever.
As I said, this particular question is irrelevant to whether the Theory of Evolution is an accurate explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. Being skeptical is always a good thing - but you still need to ask meaningful questions. Scientists don't ever expect to have all the answers - that's why I use words like "accuracy." We try to create the most accurate explanation possible given the evidence at hand, and we alter the explanations when new evidence comes to light. This means that, despite not having detailed information about the original lifeform on Earth, we can still make the reasonable conclusion that there was such a single ancestor because all of the evidence we do have supports that explanation.
We've gone over a great deal of evidence for evolution in this thread, and I've even tried to engage you in a discussion to correct any misconceptions you have and to show you what the evidence actually is.
Unfortunately, you've chosen to ignore my posts. I had thought that you would do me the courtesy of responding to me on a point-by-point basis as I do with you, but it would seem you aren't interested in an honest debate - you'd rather claim that, as a self-admitted "beginner," you can somehow declare victory and dismiss evolution because of a single question that science cannot answer sufficiently for you when we don't expect to ever have that answer, and it's not necessary for evolution to be an accurate explanation for the diversity of life on Earth.
If you'd like to engage in serious, honest debate, please respond to my entire posts, at the very least to show that you've read them. If you're serious about inviting us to educate you, then participate in an active discussion. Right now, you're a broken record - endlessly repeating a single point that has already been addressed and pretending it hasn't. Until you stop using such childish tactics, you frankly aren't worth responding to.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 141 of 493 (492668)
01-02-2009 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Rahvin
01-02-2009 2:04 AM


Re: evening all.
Point out where ive declared myself the winner rahvin.Ive made my posts short so it should be easy for you to identify where.Also i understand that you have answered point 1.You dont need proof and your great grandad is an example of single celled organisms turning into humans.I have merely expressed my dissatisfaction and made a lame joke.Point 2 remains unanswered however.I havent seen it answered in this thread and it surely wouldnt take long for either of your esteemed scientific minds to guide me in the right direction.How many missing links are we talking here?
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : spelling like a chimp

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DrJones*
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Message 142 of 493 (492669)
01-02-2009 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-02-2009 2:32 AM


Re: evening all.
How many missing links are we talking here?
we don't know. Are you now going to play the "since you don't know everything then you know nothing" bullshit that you seem to be leading up to or is that still a couple of questions away?
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 143 of 493 (492670)
01-02-2009 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by DrJones*
01-02-2009 2:35 AM


Re: evening all.
i appreciate your honesty.Can you give me a ballpark figure?Surely you have some idea.After all evolution is fact.And i have never accused anyone of not knowing anything?!?Whats with the putting words in my mouth?
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : eating banana

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DrJones*
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Message 144 of 493 (492671)
01-02-2009 2:44 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-02-2009 2:39 AM


Re: evening all.
Can you give me a ballpark figure?Surely you have have some idea.
I do not as I am not a biologist. Perhaps some research and education on your end would be helpful.
edited responding to your edit:
After all evolution is fact.
Evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution or more accurately the Theory of Common Descent is a theory.
And i have never accused anyone of not knowing anything
You haven't, yet. But it's a common creationist tactic to declare that since science doesn't have all of the answers then they don't have any answers. Perhaps you'll be the exception.
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 145 of 493 (492673)
01-02-2009 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by DrJones*
01-02-2009 2:44 AM


Re: evening all.
right, i understand where you are coming from.You have no idea yet felt obliged due to your faith being questioned to non answer me.Anybody else wanna try? thanks for your time "dr".Please i dont deal too well with blind followers.So anyone who has some idea can try.thanks.

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fallacycop
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Message 146 of 493 (492674)
01-02-2009 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-02-2009 1:01 AM


Re: evening all.
so you cant name it then.Its actually relevant to a beginner like myself because if i was the sceptical sort i could possibly think you have arrived at a conclusion without providing any evidence whatsoever.Since we are going to make things up i have made a name off the top of my head for this organism that you cant provide proof for.Ill call it "magic yeast to human" or M.Y.T.H.What say you?
Can you name all your great-great-great-great-great-granparents? If not, does that mean they did not exist?
Since we are going to make things up, I'll make up a little pet name for you. I'll call you Slightly-Amusing-and-Deluded or SAD. What say you?
Edited by fallacycop, : typo

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Message 147 of 493 (492675)
01-02-2009 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-02-2009 2:53 AM


Re: evening all.
You have no idea yet felt obliged due to your faith being questioned to non answer me.
What faith would that be?

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 148 of 493 (492676)
01-02-2009 3:01 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by fallacycop
01-02-2009 2:55 AM


Re: evening all.
hi fallacycop.Can you answer how many differing transitional forms it took from the single celled organism to us please?Please dont say the fossil record shows no proof of this gradual rise.Namecalling is the domain of the fanatic and i apologise if i disrespected your single celled origin.Forgive me.Kinda unusual you guys cant seem to plot mankinds rise.
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : xtra thought
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : No reason given.

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fallacycop
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Message 149 of 493 (492677)
01-02-2009 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-02-2009 3:01 AM


Re: evening all.
Hi SAD (sorry for the typo in my last message. I did not mean to call you MAD).
Can you answer how many differing transitional forms it took from the single celled organism to us please?
Since the human evolution was a slow gradual process, Your question makes no sense. Can you tell me how many transitional forms you have had since you were a baby? Hint: my question makes as much sense as yours

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 150 of 493 (492678)
01-02-2009 3:12 AM
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01-02-2009 3:09 AM


Re: evening all.
sure can i went from baby to child to preteen to teen to young adult to adult while remaining human.So you admit theres no proof in the fossil record to plot mankinds rise from single celled organism?.
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : spelling.

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