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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 175 of 493 (492796)
01-03-2009 12:11 AM
Reply to: Message 169 by Huntard
01-02-2009 5:41 PM


Re: What you can't understand about evolution
hi huntard.
quote:
Wrong, there are mountains of observable evidence.
Great!Point me to the organism that all life sprang from.Demonstrate to me how this amazing organism can spring forth the multitudes of different life that we see today.I have noticed though that other posters have conceded that this isnt possible,but because you are claiming theres enormous evidence,i guess you are the man!
Also id like to thank you for at least attempting to answer my question regarding how many different forms it took from our yeasty ancestor to us.It seems you have the best comprehension of english yet its not your first language.

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Message 176 of 493 (492797)
01-03-2009 12:14 AM


sorry to the rest
ill get to you once i have established a few things.Its difficult when there seems to be a lot of you and only one of me.

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Message 177 of 493 (492798)
01-03-2009 12:25 AM


ah huntard
dont worry about it if you cant.Because noone else can.Secondly its been conceded by another poster that due to fossils being somewhat brittle in nature,that the actual fossil record doesnt support the fact of evolution.Would you agree or disagree with this statement made by rahvin?

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Message 179 of 493 (492801)
01-03-2009 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 178 by RAZD
01-03-2009 12:37 AM


Re: yeast
I certainly am very ignorant regarding the mystical properties of this yeast that is able to transform itself into other lifeforms razd.Care to point out anywhere in the natural world where this occurs?Thanks in advance.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 181 of 493 (492803)
01-03-2009 12:53 AM
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01-03-2009 12:49 AM


Re: Start conducting an honest discussion, Seeking
honest discussion?Point out my dishonesty please admin?Because all im doing is attempting to establish a few facts.You dont like that?
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : No reason given.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 184 of 493 (492811)
01-03-2009 2:50 AM
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01-03-2009 1:30 AM


Re: Start conducting an honest discussion, Seeking
quote:
Unfortunately because single-celled organisms do not fossilize, we won't likely ever know specifically what the single-celled common ancestor of all Earth-bound life was like. It simply couldn't have left sufficient evidence of itself behind
Without any proof of this single celled ancestor being able to multiply forth into the multitude of animals we see today,im afraid my point still stands.Theres no proof in the natural world today or the fossil record that this most astonishing organism even existed.Why am i repeating myself?I fully understand for the theory of evolution to have this type of beginning there must of been this amazing creature.However you cant point to it,and cant seem to replicate in a science lab either.Is there a possibility this wondrous creature never did what you guys are claiming it did?
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : No reason given.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 185 of 493 (492812)
01-03-2009 3:01 AM
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01-03-2009 1:30 AM


Re: Start conducting an honest discussion, Seeking
quote:
What we can tell is that the genetic structure of all life on Earth is the same (with the possible exception of viruses who use exclusively RNA rather than DNA, but RNA and DNA themselves are very closely related).
Is there a possibilty similarities in our genetic structure are due to someone or something forming us to all cohabit on the planet?Remembering ive asked all of you to come up with a ancestral line and only one seems to have managed it.Give me time, ill try to offer scientific reasons why i think it doesnt hold up to scrutiny.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 186 of 493 (492815)
01-03-2009 3:04 AM


and finally for now
i can understand the practical implications of what discovering an organism like this holds.Basically you could seed the deserts,multiply endangered animals and solve food shortages.Im more than happy for it to be discovered.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 201 of 493 (492958)
01-04-2009 8:14 PM


greetings
i have to once again apologise for the brief replies im about to give.We are visiting my mother in law and ive managed to slip away with the excuse i need to find research material and im at the local library.Im not sure how long i can stay here.
quote:
Evolution does not require a single common ancestor.
Strange.I have the ancestors tale sitting right in front of me and the words to describe our initial ancestor is a single celled protozoa.His words in the inside cover talk of a final pilgrimage is taken together by all living things back to the origin of life itself.Thats not a common ancestor or him alluding to a common ancestor?Ok.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 202 of 493 (492959)
01-04-2009 8:24 PM


quote:
you mistake the fossil record for the theory of evolution
I certainly dont.Merely asking for clarification and looking for some sort of agreement from you that the fossil record so far doesnt support the fact of evolution.You counter it with that the fossil record isnt needed.I can accept this.The amazing single celled magic organism must of existed,for evolution IS FACT.I read you loud and clear.This organism for all intents and purposes only seems to exist in evolutionary textbooks,but because T.O.E is infallible only an idiot like myself would dare question it or ask for some sort of tangible evidence.Maybe i need to read more evolutionary books to be able to visualise this magnificent creature.Maybe only then would it become real to me like it is to you guys.
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : spelling

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 203 of 493 (492960)
01-04-2009 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by AdminNosy
01-03-2009 10:02 AM


Re: Start conducting an honest discussion, Seeking
quote:
You do not pay attention to and engage with the replies you receive
Ive explained why this is.I simply do not have the time.Plus posters have offered things that deserve better than off the cuff answers.I have told huntard and to a lesser extent razd(who has challenged me on certain things) that i will attempt to answer.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 204 of 493 (492961)
01-04-2009 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-04-2009 8:32 PM


Re: Start conducting an honest discussion, Seeking
quote:
You continue to display arrogance as if you actually knew something
.
Offering another point of view.I can handle you calling me arrogant just as long as you can handle me pointing a few things out to you guys.I got the feeling you cant.Im done replying to you, its off topic cupcake.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 207 of 493 (492966)
01-04-2009 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by subbie
01-04-2009 8:46 PM


Re: greetings
quote:
Hmmm, sounds suspiciously like an excuse for not actually addressing issues raised, particularly since it seems unlikely that a library would be open late Sunday evening.
Are you serious?Are you actually implying i live in the same country as you and therefore must be lying?.Look at the date i signed up and look how long it took to start posting here.That might give you a clue.Ill just have to quit everything else in my life just to concentrate on this forum.
quote:
Again, you are confusing the observed fact of evolution with the theory of a common ancestor.
No im not.Its all the same thing as far as im concerned.I can lump abiogenesis in with the theory of evolution as well.I dont care what special definitions you have for it.Bottom line.No creator is needed here.
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : No reason given.

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 210 of 493 (492969)
01-04-2009 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by subbie
01-04-2009 9:16 PM


Re: Start conducting an honest discussion, Seeking
quote:
None of us here is naive enough to believe that all you are doing is asking for tangible evidence.
I am.All you are doing to calling me retarded.Im getting very very suspicious now that what im asking for cant be provided.Maybe i should just show a bit more faith huh?

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seekingfirstthekingdom
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Message 211 of 493 (492970)
01-04-2009 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by seekingfirstthekingdom
01-04-2009 9:23 PM


Re: Start conducting an honest discussion, Seeking
quote:
Oh for fuck's sake, unwad your panties. I never said you "must be lying." I simply said it sounds suspiciously like a lame excuse for not responding to substance. What's more, your sarcastic response does little to disabuse me of my suspicions since you again failed to provide a substantive response to the other
lol.You must have an all seeing eye.Tell me can you tell me the lottery ticket numbers for next week?Ill tell you another thing you got wrong.Im not wearing any panties.Hmmmmm not a trustworthy all seeing eye.
quote:
And Huntard, RAZD, and nearly every other regular poster here has come across countless cdesign proponentists who've trotted in spouting nonsense followed by assurances that they would provide substantive responses to those who reply to them, only to watch them fade away back into teh interwebs, leaving nothing behind but drivel
Cheerleader alert.I can write you off as someone to avoid here.Thanks for wasting my time which could of been better spent reading.
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : No reason given.
Edited by seekingfirstthekingdom, : No reason given.

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