Simultaneous appearance of written language and common man

It will never happen.Creationists/fudamentalists either do not have the decency to admit they are wrong, or they do not have the intelligence to realise they are wrong, or will never accept any evidence you present because Satan has you fooled, any excuse really except that ther divine fairytale book has a mistake or two in it.

Where do you get this date from? This date causes huge problems for the accuracy of the biblical record, for example, in Exodus 1.11 we are told that the Israelites built the cities of Pithom and Rameses. The first pharaoh called Rameses reign began around 1300 BCE so how could they build the city of Rameses 200 odd years before there was a pharaoh called Rameses?So, how could they build the city of Rameses when there was no pharaoh called Rameses before c. 1300 BCE?Exodus 1:11 So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh.

From the fourth year back to the Exodus was 480 years but I won't quibble over a few years.However, you haven't answered my question.I asked how you arrived at a date of 1034 bce for the fourth year of Solomon's kingship and you havent supplied any evidence of how you get this date.All you have done is to use circular reasoning.You said that the exodus was 480 years before the fourth year of Solomon, so you dated the Exodus by using the date of Solomon's reign, then I ask you how you get the date of Solomon's reign and you say by adding 480 years on to the date of the Exodus!So, let me try again, what evidence do you have that Solomon reigned in 1034 BCE? try not to use circular reasoning. The Bible does not name any pharaoh connected with the Exodus, which is an appalling omission for an alleged historical record. But you have given us a date for the Exodus, you said it was in 1513 bce and we know that this is just after the beginning of the 18th dynasty, so your pharaohs would be Ahmose and Amenhotep I. I can't even begin to explain the historical problems that this would cause the Bible. A district named after whom? But the name Rameses means 'Meses born of Ra', it is a personal name, thus it is referring to a man. Add to this the archaeological evidence from the city of Rameses and its obvious that this was a person.If the Bible doesn't say Rameses was a person, then what else could 'Rameses' mean?Finally, do you have any evidence of the term 'Rameses' that predates 1300 BCE?

You are lacking one vital thing though, an open mind.You will never learn anything until you approach these subjects from more than one angle. I know complete objectivity is impossible to achieve, but I feel you are far too determined to maintain Bible accuracy that you MAY never seriously challenge anything you believe to be true.Take this dating thing you have about the Exodus as an example, you simply accept the Old Testament chronology without giving a single thought of how this event would fit in with what is already known about the ancient near east. Archaeologists have been excavating in Egypt, mesopotamia, Palestine, Syria etc. for over 150 years, there is an abundance of evidence that has allowed us to build up a pretty sound background history of the ANE, so why don't you study that and see how the Bible chronology fits with the known evidence?The father of biblical archaeology was a conservative Christian called William Albright, although technically he wasn't an archaeologist, he was responsible for excavating and gathering an enormous amount of evidence that he simply linked to the biblical accounts. However, such was the weight of the evidence against the biblical accounts of events such as the Exodus, the Conquest, and the period of the Judges, Albright had to change his stance as more evidence was incovered. Albright had to reinterpret the Bible to fit the archaeological evidence, such was the weight of evidence against many biblical accounts.Have you considered external evidence at all for the dates you give?If I said to you that there is zero evidence for the Exodus, and zero evidence for King Solomon and his Temple, would you be able to show me that I am incorrect?If you aren't, then you should really learn a valuable lesson from this. If you seriously are here to learn, then you need to be more critical of the biblical accounts or all you will learn is that you don't really know very much.If there's any help I can give you regarding the archaeology of the ancient near east feeel free to ask, or if you would like a reading list I am happy to provide it.

Isn't TL only usable on material that has been exposed to high temperatures? As far as I am aware ancient tablets were not fired, although I have heard that along with optical dating, TL can be used to date unfired materials.I think that tracing how writng evolved is probably the best way to date written texts since dating mthods MAY only date the material itself and not when it was used.

I am familiar with the Ipuwer text. But, why is it that a document that is 600 years older than when YOU say the Exodus happened evidence for the Exodus?I think I need you to explain this 'evidence' a little more because I don't see how the writings of a sage, which incidently MAY have been a vision and not a record of actual events, 600 years before you say the Exodus happened is evidence for the Exodus. What is your reasoning here? But all that this means is that the Egyptians allowed foreigners access to pasture land. This isn’t evidence of anything else in the biblical account being accurate. This is not evidence for an Exodus from Egypt of 2 to 3 million people, this is only evidence that SOMEONE, not necessarily Moses, knew that this was a practice of the Egyptians. To make this known fact worthwhile in relation to the Exodus you need a lot more to support it. For example, you need evidence that there were Hebrews in Egypt during the 16th century BCE (your date), this would at least be a start. And this proves what exactly, in an archaeological context? But the Egyptians wouldn’t need to keep a written record of the event, thanks to archaeology we have excellent ”eyewitness’ accounts that negate the biblical account.Do you seriously think that such a massive defeat as this would go unnoticed by Egypt’s neighbours? Don’t you think that the archaeological record would testify to the collapse of a huge empire? Don’t you think that 2 or 3 million people living in Egypt, wandering a desert for 40 years, and then launching a huge military campaign that scourges the whole of Palestine in a period of 5-7 years would leave some evidence in the archaeological record?All the huge events associated with the Exodus have left zero evidence, a good clue that we are talking about either a story with some little titbits of historically accurate information that have been woven into some theological ideology, or some sort of foundation myth.The one universally agreed point between archaeologists who have researched the Exodus event is that if it did happen then it certainly did not happen exactly as the Bible said it did. Not a single archaeologist takes the biblical account of the enslavement, Exodus, desert wanderings, or conquest of Canaan at face value. Many nations recorded defeats, Egypt certainly did.

Thanks for the info Mr. Jack.I see that this would give an upper limit for the age of the tablets, but there could be a significant difference between the writing of the text and the date of the fire. Although I can see how useful an upper age limit would be.