Simultaneous appearance of written language and common man

Hey Peg, Hard archeological evidence shows the existence of modern Homo sapiens, also known as Cro-Magnons, as early as 36,000 years ago:

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Cro-Magnon ...is one of the main types of Homo sapiens of the European Upper Paleolithic, living approximately 40,000 to 10,000 years ago. It is named after the cave of Cr-Magnon in southwest France, where the first specimen was found. The term falls outside the usual naming conventions for early humans and is used in a general sense to describe the oldest modern people in Europe, though also a specific (but very frequent) subtype among their fossil remains. In recent scientific literature the term "early modern humans" is used instead.
The oldest definitely dated specimen of is from 34,000-36,000 years ago[1].

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The geologist Louis Lartet discovered the first five skeletons in March 1868 in the Cro-Magnon rock shelter at Les Eyzies, Dordogne, France. The rock shelter contained a large cavity which protected the fossils. The type specimen from this find is Cro-Magnon 1. The skeletons showed the same high forehead, upright posture and slender (gracile) skeleton as modern humans.

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This is at the time of the first city states, while documentation of things by oral history is common for smaller groups of humans. There are also examples of many ways to record events that we may not recognize as language: the knotted strings of the Incas, for example, or the pictographs used by indians on leather as well as stone, pictographs used to record events.You are mistaking artifacts we can find and understand for the beginning point, when obviously the language did not suddenly appear fully formed in the first document. Except that it is totally at ODDS with the evidence for the spread of people through africa, the middle east, asia, europe, and even Visit Australia - Travel & Tour Information - Tourism Australia ...

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The earliest evidence of human habitation found to date are that of Mungo Man which have been dated at about 40,000 years old, but the time of arrival of the ancestors of indigenous Australians is a matter of debate among researchers, with estimates ranging as high as 125,000 years ago.[3]

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... and the americas:

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Scholars who follow the Bering Strait theory agree that most indigenous peoples of the Americas descended from people who probably migrated from Siberia across the Bering Strait, anywhere between 9,000 and 50,000 years ago.

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A 2006 study (to be published in Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology[when?]) reports new DNA-based research that links DNA retrieved from a 10,000-year-old fossilized tooth from an Alaskan island, with specific coastal tribes in Tierra del Fuego, Ecuador, Mexico, and California.[4]

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Hard archeological evidence shows that modern humans covered the earth long before the first clay tablets were imprinted in Mesopotamia. Hard archeological evidence also shows that there is no gap in the habitation of these continents, no discontinuity in the various cultures in the areas, as would necessarily be the case if one set were wiped out by a flood and replaced by later migrants from the middle east.Not one of the native American Indian tribes are genetically descended from the Assyrians that inhabited Mesopotamia at the time the clay tablets were first used to record events, nor are the aboriginals in Australia. Hard genetic evidence refutes the indigenous peoples of these areas being descended from the genetic pool of clay tablet writers. Genetic evidence also shows no gap in the continuous habitation of these areas, no discontinuity in the various lineages of descent in these areas, as would necessarily be the case if one set were wiped out by a flood and replaced by later migrants from the middle east.See The Human Family Tree: 10 Adams and 18 Eves
and the map Tracing Human History Through Genetic Mutations
Also http://www.duerinck.com/migrate.html

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The Seven European Daughters of Eve matriarchal groups correspond to Dr. Wallace's lineages above, and were given names by Prof. Sykes:
Helena: This clan lived in the ice-capped Pyrenees. As the climate warmed, Helena’s descendants trekked northward to what is now England, some 12,000 years ago. Members of this group are now present in all European countries.
Jasmine: Her people had a relatively happy life in Syria, where they farmed wheat and raised domestic animals. Jasmine’s descendants traveled throughout Europe, spreading their agricultural innovations with them.
Katrine: Members of this group lived in Venice 10,000 years ago. Today most of Katrine’s clan lives in the Alps.
Tara: Sykes’ maternal ancestry goes back to this group, which settled in Tuscany 17,000 years ago. Descendants ventured across northern Europe and eventually crossed the English Channel.
Ursula: Users of stone tools, Ursula’s clan members drifted across all of Europe.
Valda: Originally from Spain, Valda and her immediate descendants lived 17,000 years ago. Later relatives moved into northern Finland and Norway.
Xenia: Her people lived in the Caucasus Mountains 25,000 years ago. Just before the Ice Age, this clan spread across Europe, and even reached the Americas. (As Dr. Wallace discovered, the X pattern is a rare European lineage and is also among the northern Native Americans such as the Ojibwa and Sioux.)

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"Xenia" does not descend from "Jasmine" ... and they are the earliest branch on the mitochrondial tree.And hard archeological evidence shows that written language did not appear suddenly fully developed "around 3,000BCE which places them at the time after the flood" as one of your links points out:

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The early writing systems of the late 4th millennium BC are not considered a sudden invention. Rather, they were based on ancient traditions of symbol systems that cannot be classified as writing proper, but have many characteristics strikingly reminiscent of writing. These systems may be described as proto-writing. They used ideographic and/or early mnemonic symbols to convey information yet were probably devoid of direct linguistic content. These systems emerged in the early Neolithic period, as early as the 7th millennium BC.

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Which places them well out of your "time of the flood" by 4,000 years. So we now have a time for "Babel" then -- before anatomically modern humans emigrated to the far corners of the earth -- and a place: Africa. That would be somewhere between 160kyr and 40kyr ago ... based on hard archeological evidence.Open minded skepticism looks at all the evidence, not just what is comfortable or convenient for a set of beliefs.Enjoy.

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hey Jon, Actually some apes, elephants, parrots, and dolphins can recognize and use symbols better than many humans. Several have been documented creating new symbols and new combinations of symbols. The abilities of different species overlap on a spectrum.We've had this discussion before on the Science and Speech in Determining "Human" Kind thread (IamJoseph went on for ages, using his definition of language as what humans spoke, and of humans as the only species with language).Enjoy.

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