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Author Topic:   Innevitable Armageddon (theory)
Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 40 (493352)
01-08-2009 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by killinghurts
12-01-2008 12:30 AM


Prophecy Armageddon
I'm proposing the same thing for Armageddon. It's going to happen simply because Humans imagine it will. They are fixated on it, therefore it *will* happen.
Prophecies of such an event has been prophesied for millinia, including the prophet Daniel, centuries BC for the latter day messianic period. These prophecies all corroborate events required to happen before Armageddon.
Over the centuries, ignorant wolf criers have ignored the requirements for Armageddon and have failed to discern the signs of
the times.
Jesus himself, in Matthew 24, Mark 11 and Luke 21 corroborated OT prophets by specifying that Jerusalem would be occupied by Gentile nations until Gentile occupation ended and Jews returned. That prophecy had to be fulfilled before Armageddon. That prophecy of Jesus was fulfilled in the 1967 six day war when Jews replaced Gentiles in occupation of the city.
But that's not all. The prophet John corroborated with OT prophets and Jesus to go into detail other specifics leading up to Armageddon; things like numbers and marks for global monetary as is emerging, drought, climate change events, fiery disastrous events, nations drawn into the Middle Eastern nations threatening Israel's right to exist, signs in the sky, etc, etc.
So, Killinghurts, hang onto your hat and side with the Jesus Armageddon band wagon. It's not talk that brings on Armageddon. It's frightful things like the invention of explosives, fast travel, global government, cashless currency and all of that wonderful phenomena that brings on Armageddon as per the prophets of old, not current Armageddon jargon emerging from the mouths of Christians.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 40 (493466)
01-08-2009 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by PaulK
01-08-2009 1:54 PM


Re: Prophecy Armageddon
PaulK writes:
Jesus says no such thing in Mark 11 - or Mark 13, which you probably meant. Nor does he in the parallel passages in Matthew 24.
I stand corrected that Luke was the only one who recorded the specific prophecy.
The three gospels were generally synoptic relative to Jesus's prophecy. In order to get all of the data, the Biblical scholar assembles all of the data to get the whole prophecy.
That Jesus made the prophecy is the important thing. How many writers recorded each detail is not relevant to the significance of the details in the prophecy.
PaulK writes:
The Revelation doesn't predict "numbers or marks for global monetary[sic]". Most of the rest is pretty dodgy too,
Sigh.
And he causes ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond , to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their forehead: And that NO MAN might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the NUMBER of his name."
Revelation 13:16, 17.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 34 of 40 (493533)
01-09-2009 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by PaulK
01-09-2009 1:29 AM


Re: Futile Dialog
PaulK writes:
Buzsaw writes:
And he causes ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond , to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their forehead: And that NO MAN might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the NUMBER of his name."
Revelation 13:16, 17.
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So nowhere does it say that this alleged system is global or that the marks are used as money.
Thanks for proving my point !
No, Paul, the only thing this exchange reveals is how far from reality and the obvious you reach for the sake of debating your nonsensical position. Relative to anything Biblical, rational dialog with you is impossible.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 35 of 40 (493534)
01-09-2009 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Coyote
01-09-2009 12:16 AM


Re: Prophecy???
Coyote writes:
It does not pay a prophet to be too specific.
L. Sprague de Camp
Sprague's advice works well for folks like you, Coyote, who's drive is to undermine the specificity of the phenomenal scriptural prophecies of the Bible which prove it's divinity and authority.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 40 (493624)
01-09-2009 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by PaulK
01-09-2009 1:31 PM


Re: Futile Dialog
PaulK writes:
Do you agree that the passage makes no explicit reference to how the mark relates to the "inability" to buy and sell ?
PaulK, the reality is that modern monetary systems are emerging into marks and numbers and that personal monetary security requires more safety from identity theft etc. Computer chips are already being implanted into animals etc etc for ID purposes, etc
The fact that there are other corroborating end time fulfillments to prophecy, the required marks/numbers of the beast of Revelation 13 become relevant. In order to globally enforce such a regime, the beast global regime would need some methodology for enforcement of such a plan. To begin with, such a regime must needs be global for fulfillment and enforcement, (abe: thus requiring modern electronic technology.)
Edited by Buzsaw, : Improve phraseology
Edited by Buzsaw, : Added clarity as noted.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 40 (493750)
01-10-2009 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by PaulK
01-10-2009 4:24 AM


Re: Think Emerging System.
The REALITY is that there is no proposed system
Read what I said. I did not say proposed system. I said, modern monetary systems are emerging into marks and numbers.. For over 50 years of my life it was not possible to pay for my gasoline at the pump without cash and no attentant at hand. The system now records a number which effects a payment for the gasoline. That is an emergence of a cashless monetary system. It's not there quite yet but it's emerging. Get the drift, Paul?
Now, credit card theft and ID theft is an ever increasing problem. Solution: Implant the ID mark/number or combination thereof in a body part to effect the transaction. Savvy?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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