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Author Topic:   Giant People in the bible?
Peg
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Message 222 of 352 (493297)
01-08-2009 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Huntard
01-06-2009 4:37 PM


Re: Tall individuals is one thing...
what were neanderthals?

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Peg
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Message 224 of 352 (493486)
01-09-2009 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 223 by Granny Magda
01-08-2009 11:25 AM


Re: Tall individuals is one thing...
granny magda writes:
It is not enough that an idea explains the facts you want it to explain; it must explain all the relevant facts. That means doing your research, even if it is only a quick check on Wikipedia.
i wasnt trying to explain anything
i was asking a question... it was not a rhetorical question btw.

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Peg
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Message 227 of 352 (493613)
01-09-2009 8:29 PM
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01-09-2009 9:32 AM


Re: Topic
actually i thought that neanderthals were supposed to be much largeer then us
hence why i asked.
according to a book on archeology i have, their brains were much bigger then ours, hence their head size must have been bigger and so i assume they would bodies that were in proportion to the size of their heads

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Peg
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From: melbourne, australia
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Message 339 of 352 (533570)
11-01-2009 6:00 AM
Reply to: Message 329 by Granny Magda
10-29-2009 3:19 PM


Re: You're No Fun
hows about a giant bunny

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Peg
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Message 346 of 352 (533638)
11-02-2009 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 340 by bluescat48
11-01-2009 10:06 AM


Re: You're No Fun
hi, yes i've been intermittent lately...lifes been busy.
bluescat writes:
They in no way show that an oversize race of humans ever existed, single freaks, yes coupled with human imagination and story telling could lead one to believe in a giant race of humans
i havnt really followed this whole thread so i dont know the arguments some have given for a race of giant people
Im certaily not aware of any such claims in the bible...I know it speaks of large individuals such as Goliath (who stood out in contrast to the rest of the Philistine army)
there is also the mention of the sons of Akan who were called 'giants' (hebrew: nephilim)
However this term was only applied to a few individuals in the tribe.
the only other occurance is with regard to the children born from Angelic fathers...these ones were the original 'nephilim' (giants) who were large and powerful due to having angels for fathers...but they were not a race of humans...they were hybrid offspring of a small number of the population
i'll have to read back and find out what this thread is about

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Peg
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Message 347 of 352 (533644)
11-02-2009 3:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by John Williams
08-06-2004 1:59 AM


JohnWilliams writes:
but I wanted to start from scratch to determine who or what is the meaning of these mysterious giant people mentioned in the OT.
"There were 'giants' in the earth in those days" Gen. 6:4
We all know that the original hebrew word was "Nephilim" and then later translated to "giants."
While the english translations use the word 'giant', its important to understand the meaning of the hebrew word nephilim
Nephilim comes from a root word meaning 'fall'
The word Nephilim actually means 'Fellas' so liteally it means 'men who cause others to fall' or 'men who make others fall'
It would be wrong to conclude that 'nephilim' is a reference to a specific race of people. Nephilim is actually a verb...so its the act of causing one to fall that makes one a nephilim.
At the occurance in Genesis, the Nephilim were the children of the materialized angels. These angels had relations with women and the children born were of superhuman strength...but they used their strength to bring harm to others. They promoted violence and the people followed their example. This is why Genesis says that the world came to be filled with violence in connection with the nephilim...'the mighty ones' and the 'men of fame'
In regards to the mention of nephilim in Numbers 13.33, this was a 'false report' that was given about the inhabitants of the land of Cannan. The account is in no way claiming that there was a race of giants in cannan.
John Williams writes:
The Nephilim seem to be of mythological significance, and the term is rather vague. It can be translated to tyrants, villains, and mighty men. Basicaly, the Nephilim seem to be the hybrid children who were born from the gods and the earth women - similar to Hercules of the more well known Greek mythology.
yep, i agree that this is where the myths about giants originated. The reputation of the Nephilim (pre flood) likely gave rise to many mythologies. The decendents of Noah would have taken the pre flood story with them as they spread abroad and although distorted and embellished the original story, the resemblance in their ancient mythologies are unmistakably biblical.

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Peg
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From: melbourne, australia
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Message 349 of 352 (533763)
11-02-2009 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by Granny Magda
11-02-2009 5:10 PM


Re: There Were Bunnies in the Earth in Those Days
granny magda writes:
You are right in saying that this doesn't provide evidence for human giants, but I really don't think that Peg was trying to claim that.
i was just trying to lighten the mood

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