Innevitable Armageddon (theory)

quote:

---

Prophecies of such an event has been prophesied for millinia, including the prophet Daniel, centuries BC for the latter day messianic period. These prophecies all corroborate events required to happen before Armageddon.

---

That would be the Daniel who said that the End Times would occur in the latter days of the Hellenistic kingdoms (Daniel 8:20-26).

quote:

---

Jesus himself, in Matthew 24, Mark 11 and Luke 21 corroborated OT prophets by specifying that Jerusalem would be occupied by Gentile nations until Gentile occupation ended and Jews returned. That prophecy had to be fulfilled before Armageddon.

---

Jesus says no such thing in Mark 11 - or Mark 13, which you probably meant. Nor does he in the parallel passages in Matthew 24.

quote:

---

But that's not all. The prophet John corroborated with OT prophets and Jesus to go into detail other specifics leading up to Armageddon; things like numbers and marks for global monetary as is emerging, drought, climate change events, fiery disastrous events, nations drawn into the Middle Eastern nations threatening Israel's right to exist, signs in the sky, etc, etc.

---

The Revelation doesn't predict "numbers or marks for global monetary[sic]". Most of the rest is pretty dodgy too,

quote:

---

The three gospels were generally synoptic relative to Jesus's prophecy. In order to get all of the data, the Biblical scholar assembles all of the data to get the whole prophecy.

---

A real Biblical scholar would note that Mark and Matthew are almost identical and that Luke's version is significantly different. He would not try to construct his own version by assembling the bits that he liked. In fact he might well throw out Luke's version altogether.

quote:

---

That Jesus made the prophecy is the important thing. How many writers recorded each detail is not relevant to the significance of the details in the prophecy.

---

The QUESTION of whether Jesus made that particular prophecy is important. However it must be said that it is likely that he did not for reasons that I have given in earlier discussions.

quote:

---

PaulK writes:

​

The Revelation doesn't predict "numbers or marks for global monetary[sic]". Most of the rest is pretty dodgy too,

​

Sigh.

And he causes ALL, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond , to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their forehead: And that NO MAN might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the NUMBER of his name."

Revelation 13:16, 17.

---

So nowhere does it say that this alleged system is global or that the marks are used as money.Thanks for proving my point !Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

quote:

---

No, Paul, the only thing this exchange reveals is how far from reality and the obvious you reach for the sake of debating your nonsensical position. Relative to anything Biblical, rational dialog with you is impossible.

---

No, Buz the problem you have in debating me is that I keep proving you wrong. Now I will agree that your position on this passage is better than usual - relying merely on reading more into it than is there rather than - for instance - outright rejecting it or inventing grammatical rules or twisting it to the point where it becomes idiotic.But lets try to discuss this passage rationally.Do you agree that the verses make no explicit reference to the currency used ?Do you agree that the passage makes no explicit reference to how the mark relates to the "inability" to buy and sell ?Do you agree that nowhere in Revelation is there any statement that the mark includes any personal identification or financial information relating to the individual bearing it ? (If you disagree with this last, please refer to and quote the verse or verses that say so).

Since you decline to actually discuss what Revelation really says it seems that my points there are accurate.

quote:

---

PaulK, the reality is that modern monetary systems are emerging into marks and numbers and that personal monetary security requires more safety from identity theft etc. Computer chips are already being implanted into animals etc etc for ID purposes, etc

---

The REALITY is that there is no proposed system that resembles the marks mentioned in the Revelation. Implanted chips are very different! For humans the main line of approach that is being investigated at the moment seems to be biometrics, which involves NO marks. Nor is it even plausible that the features of the marks mentioned in the Bible would be of any real significance to any system that might be developed.

quote:

---

The fact that there are other corroborating end time fulfillments to prophecy, the required marks/numbers of the beast of Revelation 13 become relevant. In order to globally enforce such a regime, the beast global regime would need some methodology for enforcement of such a plan. To begin with, such a regime must needs be global for fulfillment and enforcement, (abe: thus requiring modern electronic technology.)

---

The significance of the misrepresentation of Revelation is to create the illusion that it refers to our near future. In reality what Revelation describes is far closer to brands or tattoos that could easily be implemented at the time it was written. No modern technology required.

quote:

---

Read what I said. I did not say proposed system. I said, modern monetary systems are emerging into marks and numbers..

---

If there is not even a proposed system that is anything like what you suggest then it is not going to happen any time soon. If ever.

quote:

---

Now, credit card theft and ID theft is an ever increasing problem. Solution: Implant the ID mark/number or combination thereof in a body part to effect the transaction. Savvy?

---

Or use distinctive biological feattures of the person concerned to verify their identity - which is more likely given the present direction of research. Of course, even chip implants are nothing like the Biblical "Mark of the Beast". It is not even a plausible part of any global e-money system (itself, many decades away at the least).