Hi Admin. My apologies for discussing these issues in the thread. In my mind I justified it since it was a response to you, the debating member. I should have known better.
Percy said:
Someone will reply that they have evidence that the Bible is true. You'll say they don't. You'll settle on an example, perhaps the Exodus, and start discussing the evidence for it. This has been done to death, which is fine, nothing wrong with repeats because the participants and audience are ever-changing, but I'd like to wait a while before starting the equivalent of another Exodus thread.
1. You understand that some of us here cite evidence to under-gird our faith in the Bible at large.
2. You remind that the Exodus topic has been debated enough and that you don't want this thread to become a debate on the Exodus.
In one of my responses I briefly cited some examples of evidences which we use to bolster our faith in the Biblical record. I knew what you said here and if anyone proceeded to debate any one of the specific evidences I cited in debth, especially the Exodus which you specifically warned about, I would have declined to get into it.
My take on the warning was that the thread was not to become an Exodus debate thread. I didn't consider one brief citing of it along with other evidences as turning this into an Exodus debate.
Reality Man says:
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what it is about faith that makes people so determined that what they believe in is as real as the keyboard I'm typing on.
As a guy with no faith whatsoever, I want someone to baby spoon feed me the rational (the key word here is 'rational') reasoning behind the strong belief people have for things that as of yet have no substance, physical or theoretical, or have such an
abstract application to reality.
This is a question of curiosity, I simply
want to discuss the science behind faith, and
one's absolute certainty that something incredible, such as God or a virgin giving birth or miracles, exists.
The virgin birth as well as the Exodus are both examples of
abstract applications to reality. However there is some evidence supportive of both of these miracles. With the virgin birth, it's the prophecies relative to it in the OT. With the Exodus it is the photographed research etc. With Israel's phenomenal return as a nation, it's the modern news etc. There are others. These are the things which corroborate with many other evidences which under-gird the faith of us who are Biblically astute.
With all due respect to John 10:10 (abe: and ICANT), Reality Man obviously does not want to get preached at by John 10:10 (and ICANT) in this thread. He wants us Biblical creationists to explain to him how we could possibly have faith in something like the virgin birth, (abe: and so much more like phenomina in the Biblical record). If it weren't for the many evidences which bolster faith in the Biblical record, I would have to say that I have blind faith in the virgin birth. As I said, it's the corroborated evidences, i.e. the knowns which is the
science, if you will, Reality Man that bolsters my faith in the Biblical record to the point that I'm able to believe in the virgin birth, etc, etc.
How do you expect me, Iano, ICANT, Berlot and others to respond to Reality Man in answer to his question. He and the rest of the board will most certainly despise and criticize us soundly if we do as you suggested and preach to him feely nonsense which does nothing to address Reality Man's sincere request for reasons.
I hope you will reconsider your action but if not, so be it. I'm not going back there to make a fool out of myself, (abe: fellow Christians, Christianity and the Biblical record by responding to Reality man with foolish feely reasons for exercising faith.) I don't think anyone else cares to either. Imo, you've essentially either killed the thread or turned an otherwise interesting thread into yada about nothing of substance.
My suggestion to you as Admin is to ride heard on the thread to make sure it doesn't get derailed into debating specific evidence issues, but to allow the participants to briefly cite evidences j(abe: which bolster our faith) as one of the reasons we have for adamantly exercising faith in
abstract applications to reality relative to the Biblical record.
Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted.
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