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Rahvin
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Message 9 of 56 (494356)
01-15-2009 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Agobot
01-15-2009 12:01 PM


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Stile writes:
I am an atheist and my purpose for life is to get better, not to reproduce. In fact, I'm currently in a stage of my life where I do not want to reproduce, ever.
That's your subjective interpretaion that certainly doesn't hold for every atheist.
...that's what he said.
What you all can objectively agree is that life is meaningless,
No, that's not it at all. Life has whatever meaning we want to give it, which is far from meaningless. You're talking about Nihilists, not atheists. The two can overlap in some individuals, but not all of us.
and everyone has to infer some subjective feeling they can hold on to - love, romance, peace, etc.
The meaning and purpose of life are subjective, yes. Different people find differend meaning and purpose. Some find it in faith, and atheists tend to find it in more secular persuits. Some find no meaning at all.
But there is something else - according to your beliefs life came through extreme luck and randomness via Sex urge.
No, not at all. Clearly you don't comprehend abiogenesis, or the fact that not all atheists even believe in abiogenesis. Atheism is extremely broad - it only means "no deities." You can still beleive in outlandish extradimensional sources for life, or any of the various "new agey" religions that have no deities.
Further, abiogenesis doesn't have anything to do with "extreme luck and randomness." It has to do with chemistry, which is very different. Even when the first lifeforms came to exist, they didn't reproduce sexually - sexual reproduction came much later. Your entire concept of this is wrong from the ground up.
You all agree that if this sex urge wasn't so powerful, there would be No Life.
Not at all. Most forms of life don't even use sexual reproduction - bacteria, viruses, and many plants and animals reproduce is several different ways that don't rely on sex at all (mitosis, budding, etc). It's called "asexual reproduction," and you might want to look it up.
That's why i posit that what All atheists collectively can agree on as an objectively existing and scientifically proven purpose of life is - sex. (A Big Bang of sorts, sorry )
And you're wrong.

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Rahvin
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Message 22 of 56 (494406)
01-15-2009 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Agobot
01-15-2009 5:39 PM


Re: No Such Thing as Objective Meaning
But it's entertaining to watch the 2 sects fight for their respective dogma. Atheists claim to know that there is no God/creator because they have sufficiently well explained reality(while science hasn't)
Bullshit. Atheism simply means one does not beleive in god(s). That does not mean we "know" god(s) do not exist. Some might say as much, but many of us simply find no reason to believe in any deities. There is a rather large difference, and it has nothign to do with how well science has or has not explained the Universe, and everything to do with the fact that there is no evidence supporting the existence of any deities. Assertion X is not necessarily the default position if Assertion Y fails to explain something. The default position is "I don't know."
and religious folks have the Bible as the ultimate tool for explaining everything(although their reality does not in any way conform to the reality we experience).
As if "religious folks" were constrained exclusively to the Bible.
You seem to enjoy conflating rather large and heterogenous groups into incredibly stereotyped monolithic homogenous blocs. Not all Atheists have no religion. Not all Atheists disbeleive in god(s) for the same reason. Not all religious people are Christian, and not all Christians even accept the Bible as some "ultimate tool for explaining everything."
This makes your posts woefully inaccurate and infuriatingly simpleminded.
To anyone who's not attached to these 2 radical schools of "thought", watching the debate as it unfolds is pretty amusing.
At first, reading your various misconceptions regarding evolution, Atheism, and religion were amusing, as well. Then you kept making the same errors after being corrected, and doing so to a greater degree each time. Now you're a broken record, and I question your ability to actually process information and learn.

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Rahvin
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Message 46 of 56 (494508)
01-16-2009 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Agobot
01-16-2009 3:01 AM


Re: No Such Thing as Objective Meaning
Agobot, you are an idiot.
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Rahvin writes:
Bullshit. Atheism simply means one does not beleive in god(s). That does not mean we "know" god(s) do not exist.
Exactly, you believe god(s) do not exist. And you fight for your beliefs. As I said it's fun to watch the 2 belief systems, which are radical to anyone who's not brain-washed into believing any of the 2 "options", fight for their dogma.
You still don't get it. A lack of belief in god(s) is not the same as belief that no god(s) exist. There are some Atheists who actively believe that no god(s) exist. Others, like me, have no active belief regarding god(s). I don't believe in them, which is very different from believing they do not exist. It's an entirely different chain of logic, and you seem unable to comprehend the difference.
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Rahvin writes:
Some might say as much, but many of us simply find no reason to believe in any deities.
Yes, belief. It's also the foundation of all religions. Including Atheism.
Atheism is not a religion, and in my case my Atheism is defined specifically by a lack of belief. You don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. As you continue to repeat yourself, ask yourself whether cold is a form of energy opposite heat, or if it is the lack of heat, and why that would be relevant.
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Rahvin writes:
There is a rather large difference, and it has nothign to do with how well science has or has not explained the Universe, and everything to do with the fact that there is no evidence supporting the existence of any deities.
Cool, sounds logical but dismissing all possibilities of a creator of some kind is radical.
I don't dismiss the possibility. Most Atheists I know don't dismiss the possibility, either. We just have no reason to believe in one, and so we do not. Further, why would such a position be radical? Is dismissing the possibility of an invisible pink unicorn radical as well?
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Rahvin writes:
Assertion X is not necessarily the default position if Assertion Y fails to explain something. The default position is "I don't know."
If that were the case, there would be no atheism, but just religion and agnosticism.
Agnosticism is very close to some forms of Atheism. Agnosticism says "I don't know;" Atheism says "I don't have any reason to think so." You still aren't comprehending that Atheists are not all the same, and only some actively believe there are no deities and dismiss their existence as even a possibility.
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Rahvin writes:
You seem to enjoy conflating rather large and heterogenous groups into incredibly stereotyped monolithic homogenous blocs. Not all Atheists have no religion.
Yeah right, and not all bears are bears, some are birds. I guess Bertot is an athesist who believes in god.
Christ, you apparently can't read, either. I suppose I can repeat myself again. Atheism means "no god(s)" and nothing else. It doesn't mean "no religion,[/i] though that's certainly the most common case. But animist or "spiritual" religions that believe in the supernatural or an afterlife or what have you but do not beleive in any deities are still technically Atheist. Among the "no religion" Atheists, there are still a wide variety of positions - some actively beleive that there are definitely, positively no deities, and others accept the possibility that god(s) may exist but have no reason to think so.
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Rahvin writes:
Not all Atheists disbeleive in god(s) for the same reason. Not all religious people are Christian, and not all Christians even accept the Bible as some "ultimate tool for explaining everything."
I obviously didn't mean the Bible is the only holy book, but thanks for finding "holes" in my position.
Perhaps you should try saying what you mean next time, because yuor entire statement regarding religious people relying ont eh Bible was bogus - not all religions even rely on any holy text, not all Christians count the Bible as the "final authority," etc.
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Rahvin writes:
This makes your posts woefully inaccurate and infuriatingly simpleminded.
Why? Because I don't believe what you believe?
No, becasue you spout falsehoods. You get the facts wrong. I couldn't care less what you believe, as long as you don't misrepresent what I or other people believe.
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Rahvin writes:
At first, reading your various misconceptions regarding evolution, Atheism, and religion were amusing, as well. Then you kept making the same errors after being corrected, and doing so to a greater degree each time.
No, I don't claim to know how nature works with 100% certainty. No scientist does. No biologist does. Only atheists do, you know everything about evolution with great certainty. That's great! Stick to your beliefs, it seems all human need some form of religion - whether it's christianity, judaism or atheism.
Idiot. No Atheist I'm aware of claims to know how nature works with absolute certainty. Even if the processes of nature were 100% unknown, there would still be no reason to believe in a deity until there is evidence that a deity exists. "I don't know != "God," except with "God of the Gaps" morons.
By your definition of religion, Agobot, it's impossible to have no religion - even the absence of belief is counted as a religion itself. That's not indicative of a well-thought-out definition of terms.
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Rahvin writes:
Now you're a broken record, and I question your ability to actually process information and learn.
Yes I am. Because I don't know everything that you know with the certainty you believe you know it. BTW, I have no desire to "process information and learn" about your beliefs because to an unpredjudiced observer both positions are radical.
That second sentence didn't even make sense. And I can see that you don't even comprehend that having a conversation and debate requires you to process what other people say. Now that you've expressed that you don't care whether you completely misrepresent other people's points of view, I have to question your purpose on this board, and I'll stop feeding you, troll.

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