Mormon Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Well, that hardly makes sense, considering that Catholics came before Protestants. If anything, it was the Protestants taking out books from the Bible.

"A group of men -- variously described as Southern Paiute Indians, Mormons dressed as Natives, or a combination of Natives and Mormons -- deceived and attacked a group of 137 pioneers. Their wagon train was traveling from Arkansas, through Utah, and on to California. There are allegations that Mormons in the Mountain Meadows area created unrest among the Native population by spreading a rumor that the the pioneers were planning go to California and return with an army to attack the Natives and Mormons.Apparently, many people on both sides died in the initial conflict. The pioneers then surrendered. Under a flag of truce, they were disarmed, and then slaughtered in cold blood. In all, 120 men, women and children of the wagon train were killed. 17 children under the age of 10 were considered "too young to tell," and were spared. Brevet Jamor J.H. Carleton noted in his investigation of the tragedy "that about one third of the skulls were shot through with bullets and about one third seem to be broken with stones." 4There was "a popular and widespread impression that John D. Lee was the leader and arch criminal of the massacre." 5 He was made the scapegoat, tried twice and executed in 1877. There are allegations that the massacre was perpetrated by an underground Danite group. This theory appears to be a hoax since no such group existed in Utah at the time.Brigham Young led a church cover-up, saying that the Natives were responsible for the massacre. He wrote that pioneers had caused the death of Natives by giving them poisoned meat, and by poisoning some of their wells."Granted, I don't know all the facts, or how acurate the account is. And I'm sure agression on both sides fuled it, but it's still quite a bloody attack.

Yeah, I'd heard about that attack. Honestly I don't mean to say that the Mormons have any less blood on their hands than any other group. In this particular case I fear it was the result of a siege mentality fostered on the Mormons by their continual oppression at the hands of other groups.But certainly they haven't always played nice.

I really dont want to get into it but during the catholic church reign the popes corrupted the church and the church added books during their reign then Luther split from the church and put it back the way it was supposed to be.------------------
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A "religion" based on family sounds nice, until you understand the
the "Family" take first place. As the Mr. Osmond (Osmond Brothers)
once said----"Family first, then the Church, and then Career."As for the Catholic Bible vs. the Protestant Bible. You will find
that the Jews today (as well as at the time of Jesus), considered
the apocryphal books as interesting historically but not as
inspired of GOD. The Protestants are ALL of the same opinion.
Additionally, the Salvation Story is not harmed in anyway by their
exclusion. As for the other books---there is very little difference
in translations, so this whole train of attack is of no merit.

Sure, the way he thought it was supposed to be. Obviously the Catholics thought different. And I don't recall Luther traveling to the middle east to do any digs. So he was clearly basing his opinion on the same information avaliable to the Catholics.How do you determine who was right?

Yeah? So? I'm not hearing the downside, here. I'm just saying that you can hardly condemn a church for altering the bible if your own faith has done exactly the same thing.

Wow! Cold-blooded, huh! Almost like what the Israelites did to the Hivites, and the folks at Ai, and at........

Cashfrog:
The story of Nephi is fiction. The Bible isn't. The lands
discribed and the people found there and the cities lived in
are still there for ALL to see.SHOW ME ONE city discribed in the New World the book of mormon paints.
Show me people and places that the book speaks of. It's fiction and
it is placed as superior to the Bible. Sorry, if something supernatural was involved it was demonic...

Well, sure. But all the places mentioned in Watership Down are there for you to see, but is it your position that rabbits can talk?Denmark exists, but Hamlet didn't really happen. Verona exists but Romeo and Juliet is made-up. What does the reality of the setting have to do with the veracity of the events?

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Other than that Mormonism seems mostly to be about community and family bonds, which I can respect.

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...except that the only family bonds which are important to Mormons are those of other Mormons.If you are a family member, even a birth parent, of someone who has converted to LDS, and that convert is getting married in a temple ceremony, The parents, as non-Mormons, are not permitted to attend.Additionally, no woman is ever permitted to have authority over any man in the Church higherarchy. As others have stated, there is an inordinate amount of concern and obsession about masturbation. No men of color were permitted to hold the Mormon preisthood until the 1970's, and the Mormon church of old was very racist in general.I has a very close friend convert when I was in college, and this prompted me to do some research. It seems they, as other cults do, target for conversion people in college or others who are in high-stress, transitional, often lonely periods in their lives.The (up till recently) secret temple ceremonies were filled with quite disturbing racist and anti-Catholic rhetoric until they were changed a few decades ago. (Ezra Taft Benson, a past Mormon President from the 1960's was a very vocal racist:http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon189.htm )Read about the temple ceremony, both the current and old versions here:~~Religion: Mormon ~~ Pay Lay Ale ~~ Secret ~ Temple ~ Ceremony~~

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Luther split from the church and put it back the way it was supposed to be.

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Sure, the way he thought it was supposed to be. Obviously the Catholics thought different.

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Um, am I the only one who remembers the Great Schism?There's a third branch of Christianity that predates the Reformation: The Orthodox.Both the Protestants and the Catholics have it wrong.------------------
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WWJD? JWRTFM!

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They take misinterpreting and deleting and adding stuff to the bible like the Jehovah's do to a new level.

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Which Bible do you read? Checked its history?------------------
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NIVJehovahs came to my house and they kept wanting me to use their bibles. I looked in them and found out why. They dont believe in hell, so many places where it says hell in there bible they changed it to say something else. Also, they believe that when they die, they go into the ground for a long period of time, a verse in one of the gospels disproves this.
Luke 23:43 "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."Thats what Jesus said to one of the thiefs on the cross.Now The jehovah's switched that verse around. Theirs says:Luke 23:43 I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise.See how one comma makes such a difference?------------------
"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewiscontact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com

Better check out the meaning of the word "Paradise." I believe you'll find it means something like, "Forest Lawn," a well manicured grounds, i.e. a cemetary. So no matter how you slice it, that verse in Luke is rather grim.The Thief says: "Jesus, remember me when you Rule."And Jesus replies: "Today I'd say, You'll be with me in the cemetary."See how one word makes such a difference?Common sense may not be as fun as fantasy, but it's a lot more Real.[This message has been edited by doctrbill, 08-09-2003]