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Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 468 (494206)
01-14-2009 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Percy
01-12-2009 8:40 AM


Re: Friggin Thread Issue
Mmm, what gives on the friggin faith thread? People are still debating evidence and Modulous is requesting more evidence while Buzsaw is banned from the thread for talking evidence on the friggin faith thread??
http://EvC Forum: Why so friggin' confident? -->EvC Forum: Why so friggin' confident?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 32 of 468 (494271)
01-15-2009 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Buzsaw
01-14-2009 10:07 PM


Re: Friggin Thread Issue
You were requested to stop posting to the thread because you wouldn't stop arguing about what the topic was while taking free shots about how biased board administration is, instead of discussing what I as moderator had carefully worked out with the originator to be the topic in the first 5 posts.
Since no participants seem to accept any religious beliefs on faith there seems nothing left to discuss, except the definition of faith itself. If you'd like to discuss that then feel free to rejoin.
Some interesting points were raised regarding the evidence supporting religious beliefs, and if someone would like to propose a topic to discuss these I'll promote it as quickly as I can. If someone can boil down the most relevant points made by Rahvin in Message 140 and the rebuttal by Bertot in Message 142 into something of reasonable length, I think that would be a good starting point.

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Huntard
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Message 33 of 468 (494295)
01-15-2009 8:37 AM


double thread?

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Message 34 of 468 (494303)
01-15-2009 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Huntard
01-15-2009 8:37 AM


Re: double thread?
Thanks for letting us know, Nosy and I evidently both promoted the thread at the same time, which raises the question, what's he doing up at 5:30 AM?
My promotion went through first, and promotion automatically closes the thread proposal, so Nosy ended up promoting a closed thread proposal which means the promoted version of the thread was closed, too, so I deleted that version.

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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 468 (494322)
01-15-2009 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Admin
01-15-2009 8:00 AM


Re: Friggin Thread Issue
Admin, it appears that you are ever increasing your micromanagement of creationists, including in the non-science threads while your secularist friends enjoy immunity in both.
You chastized me for comments made in the friggin thread, directing me here. I make my points here and you decline addressing any of the specifics of my message here.
Now you're advocating any new faith thread be relative to what Rahvin, our counterpart has posted. I had something else in mind for a new faith thread. Are we creationists totally obliged to you now for faith issues we want to debate and discuss?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 36 of 468 (494323)
01-15-2009 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
01-15-2009 10:32 AM


Re: Friggin Thread Issue
If moderation at EvC Forum seems biased and unfair to you then I suggest finding another venue. Moderation itself isn't up for discussion. Please keep in mind that all permanent suspensions are indeed permanent. Not one has been reversed in the year since the policy change.
With someone else I might be more forthcoming, but I've never had much success explaining anything to you, and seeing no indication that this time would be any different I demur from any such attempts.
Edited by Admin, : Grammar.

--Percy
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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 468 (494365)
01-15-2009 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Admin
01-15-2009 10:43 AM


Re: The Buzsaw EvC Record
Admin writes:
With someone else I might be more forthcoming, but I've never had much success explaining anything to you, and seeing no indication that this time would be any different I demur from any such attempts.
Obviously, with you, Percy, creationist evidence is off the table here at EvC. You tolerate the easy ones so you and yours can make fools out of Biblicalists. Most of the evidence apprised creos are gone. They aren't as thick skinned as I've been these past 5 plus years. If you ban me, so be it, but you're shooting yourself in the foot if you think you can promote a boring lop sided www evolution vs creation board.
In nearly 6 years I've been suspended ONCE, for 2 hours and permanently banned TWICE, yet you paint me as problematic. You banned me because since I obeyed the Forum Guidelines you and your moderators had no reason to suspend me. You wanted me out because I was scoring points debating you and your buddies. Obviously that's what's going on here.
Remember shortly before my first banning, Percy, obviously the hands down winner of the first ever EvC Great Debate which was about creationism and the LoTs? There were two (non-creo) judges who were to judge the winner of that notorious debate with Jar. The judges declined to judge a winner because I (the creationist) obviously won with Jar on the ropes from the gitgo and the first to end the debate on page two after bragging before the debate that he'd put me away in the first couple of messages.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Message 38 of 468 (494369)
01-15-2009 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
01-15-2009 1:33 PM


Re: Friggin Thread Issue
Yes, Buz, you are a problem, because you don't understand much of what is said. For example, what was it about this that you didn't understand from my Message 32:
Admin in Message 32 writes:
Some interesting points were raised regarding the evidence supporting religious beliefs, and if someone would like to propose a topic to discuss these I'll promote it as quickly as I can. If someone can boil down the most relevant points made by Rahvin in Message 140 and the rebuttal by Bertot in Message 142 into something of reasonable length, I think that would be a good starting point.
In other words, you're free to discuss precisely what you want to discuss as long as you do it in threads where it's on-topic. EvC Forum works hard to keep threads on-topic. You've been here a long time and you know this. There's nothing wrong with what you want to discuss except that it's not the topic of that thread.
If you want a fresh thread to discuss exactly the topic you want to discuss then all you have to do is propose a thread. I've said this here, and I've said this at the thread in question, but for some reason you have ignored this and instead keep accusing me of bias and unfairness. This isn't rational behavior. All you have to do is propose a thread for what you want to discuss, and as soon as I promote it you'll be off on your merry way, but instead you're wasting moderator time in this thread.
That was your last post about this, okay? One more and I will suspend you permanently.

--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 468 (494374)
01-15-2009 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Admin
01-15-2009 1:56 PM


Re: Friggin Thread Issue
I posted comment by edit in my last message before I saw your message for no more on this. My apologies and no more on this from me.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Blue Jay
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Message 40 of 468 (494591)
01-17-2009 12:41 AM


erikp and Rrhain
This post is in response to AdminNosy's warning to erikp in "What is a Theory?", here.
erikp, post #181, writes:
"You don't know what XYZ means, do you?" Is that why they kicked you out of the last Stephen Hawking conference, after making abnoxious remarks to the emeritus professor?
AdminNosy writes:
Now you are adding inane insults against someone who does have some idea what he is talking about.
I agree with AdminNosy's decision that Erik was out of line, but, in all fairness, I don't think Rrhain is innocent. Although Rrhain may not have meant it as an insult, "You don't know what a _______ is" really does sound just as personally insulting as what Erik said.
On the whole, I think Erik has been a fairly polite and patient poster, and I don't think he would have started throwing insults if people hadn't been pushing his buttons. Granted, his argument is infuriating, but it wasn't insulting until he was insulted first.

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Message 41 of 468 (494601)
01-17-2009 4:17 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Blue Jay
01-17-2009 12:41 AM


Re: erikp and Rrhain
Ned, a mild general warning to all of us participating on the thread might have been appropriate, but if possible, please don't interfere with the most interesting thread going!

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Message 42 of 468 (494611)
01-17-2009 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by bluegenes
01-17-2009 4:17 AM


Re: erikp and Rrhain
The moderation team hasn't discussed this thread among themselves at all, but I feel safe in saying that I think the moderation team recognizes a need to put that thread on a more rational footing but doesn't see any effective approaches at present.
But Ericp has displayed a propensity for ignoring responses he doesn't like by engaging in spurious accusations of misbehavior and in ad hominem (I've been referred to as an idiot myself), and concerning this kind of behavior we're on solid ground regarding the Forum Guidelines and pretty much know what to do.

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Message 43 of 468 (494615)
01-17-2009 7:19 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Buzsaw
01-15-2009 2:05 PM


Re: Friggin Thread Issue
Buz, see Message 182.

--Percy
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AdminNosy
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Message 44 of 468 (494653)
01-17-2009 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Blue Jay
01-17-2009 12:41 AM


Re: erikp and Rrhain
...but, in all fairness, I don't think Rrhain is innocent. Although Rrhain may not have meant it as an insult, "You don't know what a _______ is" really does sound just as personally insulting as what Erik said.
There is a major difference. erikp doesn't know what he means with the big words he throws around so freely. A smallish hit at his arrogance is not, to my mind, out of line. Rrhain seems to have an arrogant vein as well, but his is based on actually knowing something.

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Message 45 of 468 (494920)
01-20-2009 3:53 AM


Another nutter

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