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Huntard
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Message 11 of 265 (494971)
01-20-2009 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Annafan
01-20-2009 9:35 AM


Hey Annafan, great post, one little thing though.
Annafan writes:
row with the blades it has available
That would be oars, not blades. Still not sure if it is an english expression though.

I hunt for the truth

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Huntard
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Message 50 of 265 (495046)
01-20-2009 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by RickCHodgin
01-20-2009 2:27 PM


How do you know?
Hello Rick, welcome to EvC.
RickCHodgin writes:
I'm not sure how you can make this statement. Evolution is a system which exists within the universe. Were the universe altered even slightly, everything else would be different.
Evolution depends exactly upon the universe being the way it is.
How do you know this is the case? Have you observed a universe that is different than ours, and where evolution wasn't working?

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Huntard
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Message 53 of 265 (495049)
01-20-2009 2:44 PM
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01-20-2009 2:42 PM


Re: How do you know?
RickCHodgin writes:
My statement wasn't whether or not evolution is working. My statement was that whether or not evolution is working, whatever evolution IS is wholly dependent upon our universe being the way our universe is.
Were our universe different, evolution (in whatever form it is believed to be) would also be different - by definition.
I know what your statement was, and the question still remains, how do you know? If you haven't observed a universe that is different than ours, you can't know if evolution would work differently there or not.

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Huntard
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Message 59 of 265 (495057)
01-20-2009 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by RickCHodgin
01-20-2009 2:52 PM


Re: How do you know?
I would argue that your statement is ridiculous.
Really?
By definition, evolution is whatever evolution is in this universe, and it is that way because of the way this universe is.
Evolution is the change of populations over time, nothing more, nothing less, this could easily happen in a universe which is different form ours. Now, the Theory Of Evolution might not explain what is happening in that universe, but you can;t flatly state that evolution is something different there. But, ultimately, there's no way to tell.
Were anything changed - even in the smallest degree - the resulting new (or alternate) universe would have a different version of evolution.
It would have the same version as ours, our theory to explain it might not fit the way it actually happens. But, again, there's no way to tell.
And while the new/alternate universe might ultimately produce something which is even identical to that which evolution would in this universe, it would, by definition, still be different.
The mechanism might be, the evolution itself is not. No way to tell and all.
It would be parallel, similar, congruent, etc. - but it would be different.
That's my point.
An my point is that without observing this other universe, we have no way to tell if this is the case. If I have one aquarium, suited to tropical fish, is it then reasonable for me to claim that no other aquarium can hold fish?

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Huntard
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Message 138 of 265 (495360)
01-22-2009 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by RickCHodgin
01-22-2009 12:47 AM


RickCHodgin writes:
I didn't put the thread here. Someone else moved it here.
Of course it was put here, evolution IS a science issue, not a religious one. The fact that some religious types have a problem with it doesn't matter, it's still science.

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