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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Almost not a drive by. {Irrelevant blather hidden. Stop polluting the topic with such. - Adminnemooseus} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.
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RickCHodgin Member (Idle past 5570 days) Posts: 44 From: United States Joined: |
In response to bluescat48:
The universe isn't working toward anything, and has nothing to do with evolution. I'm not sure how you can make this statement. Evolution is a system which exists within the universe. Were the universe altered even slightly, everything else would be different. Evolution depends exactly upon the universe being the way it is. - Rick
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Yeah, he lingered quite a while for a hit n run. {Irrelevant blather hidden. Stop polluting the topic with such. - Adminnemooseus} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
quote: quote: Holy cognitive dissonance, Batman! You gave me a mild case of whiplash by including these two completely inconsistent statements in the space of one post. Fortunately for me, my years of dealing with cdesign proponentist meanderings prepared me for such an event. Anyone want to propose an over-under for how long it will take Rick to see the inconsistency? Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2321 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Hello Rick, welcome to EvC.
RickCHodgin writes:
How do you know this is the case? Have you observed a universe that is different than ours, and where evolution wasn't working? I'm not sure how you can make this statement. Evolution is a system which exists within the universe. Were the universe altered even slightly, everything else would be different. Evolution depends exactly upon the universe being the way it is. I hunt for the truth
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Were the universe altered even slightly, everything else would be different. And everything is different every few minutes, too. What makes you think, Rick, that people who accept evolution and people who don't accept gods don't love and help their neighbors? Edited by Coragyps, : No reason given.
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RickCHodgin Member (Idle past 5570 days) Posts: 44 From: United States Joined: |
How do you know this is the case? Have you observed a universe that is different than ours, and where evolution wasn't working? My statement wasn't whether or not evolution is working. My statement was that whether or not evolution is working, whatever evolution IS is wholly dependent upon our universe being the way our universe is. Were our universe different, evolution (in whatever form it is believed to be) would also be different - by definition. - Rick
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2321 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
RickCHodgin writes:
I know what your statement was, and the question still remains, how do you know? If you haven't observed a universe that is different than ours, you can't know if evolution would work differently there or not. My statement wasn't whether or not evolution is working. My statement was that whether or not evolution is working, whatever evolution IS is wholly dependent upon our universe being the way our universe is. Were our universe different, evolution (in whatever form it is believed to be) would also be different - by definition. I hunt for the truth
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RickCHodgin Member (Idle past 5570 days) Posts: 44 From: United States Joined: |
And everything is different every few minutes, too. What makes you think, Rick, that people who accept evolution and people who don't accept gods don't love and help their neighbors? I didn't say that. I said (essentially) that arguing over evolution is a waste of time. That time would be better spent being nice to a cubicle neighbor at work, your co-worker on the assembly line, your mother, or to whomever is around you. I've spent probably 1.5 hours today in writing these responses. I happen to have an online job, so it's not that big of a stretch for me to be here. But, in my evening times I would choose not to be here. That's all I'm saying. The universe is different every minimum-finitely-divisible-unit-of-time. But, the laws the universe are based upon do not change. If they do, they're not laws. - Rick
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RickCHodgin Member (Idle past 5570 days) Posts: 44 From: United States Joined: |
In response to Huntard:
I know what your statement was, and the question still remains, how do you know? If you haven't observed a universe that is different than ours, you can't know if evolution would work differently there or not. I would argue that your statement is ridiculous. By definition, evolution is whatever evolution is in this universe, and it is that way because of the way this universe is. Were anything changed - even in the smallest degree - the resulting new (or alternate) universe would have a different version of evolution. And while the new/alternate universe might ultimately produce something which is even identical to that which evolution would in this universe, it would, by definition, still be different. It would be parallel, similar, congruent, etc. - but it would be different. That's my point. Edited by RickCHodgin, : Clarifying. Edited by RickCHodgin, : Adding intended. - Rick
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well, if you are gonna stick around. I'd like a reply to Message 38.
Especially this part:
quote: and this part too:
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
By definition, evolution is whatever evolution is in this universe, and it is that way because of the way this universe is. Were anything changed - even in the smallest degree - the resulting new (or alternate) universe would have a different version of evolution. But we don't know that for sure. It could very easliy be the exact same process of evolution. That's the beauty of simplicity. Random Mutation plus Natural Selection and you can get all the wonderous lifeforms of this planet. Slight changes probably wouldn't affect much at all.
And while the new/alternate universe might ultimately produce something along the same lines as evolution would in this universe, it would, by definition, still be different. It would be parallel or congruent, but it would not be the same. That's my point. Then your point was pointless.
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RickCHodgin Member (Idle past 5570 days) Posts: 44 From: United States Joined: |
Well, if you are gonna stick around. I'd like a reply to Message 38. I have found your posts to be somewhat demeaning in tone, and I believe unjustifiably so. As such, I desire not to converse with you. - Rick
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2321 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
I would argue that your statement is ridiculous.
Really?
By definition, evolution is whatever evolution is in this universe, and it is that way because of the way this universe is.
Evolution is the change of populations over time, nothing more, nothing less, this could easily happen in a universe which is different form ours. Now, the Theory Of Evolution might not explain what is happening in that universe, but you can;t flatly state that evolution is something different there. But, ultimately, there's no way to tell.
Were anything changed - even in the smallest degree - the resulting new (or alternate) universe would have a different version of evolution.
It would have the same version as ours, our theory to explain it might not fit the way it actually happens. But, again, there's no way to tell.
And while the new/alternate universe might ultimately produce something which is even identical to that which evolution would in this universe, it would, by definition, still be different.
The mechanism might be, the evolution itself is not. No way to tell and all.
It would be parallel, similar, congruent, etc. - but it would be different.
An my point is that without observing this other universe, we have no way to tell if this is the case. If I have one aquarium, suited to tropical fish, is it then reasonable for me to claim that no other aquarium can hold fish? That's my point. I hunt for the truth
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I have found your posts to be somewhat demeaning in tone, and I believe unjustifiably so. As such, I desire not to converse with you. Well then, you can just fuck off and wallow in your ignorance. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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