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Vacate
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Message 38 of 211 (495731)
01-24-2009 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by homunculus
01-24-2009 4:27 AM


Woah!
homunculus writes:
there is nothing substantial about this presupposed environment. It really is a speculation.
This is your evo crushing argument? You nearly made me fall out of my chair given that you went and said this right after:
Since the lord created the physical universe, that would suggest he created science
Take it slow, when you get it you may laugh as hard as I did.
From message 25 writes:
Since there is no other life in 'observable space', we can safely assume that, according to evolution, spontaneous generation would've had to have taken place due to earth's global specific environs.
1- We didn't even have the technology to see extra-solar planets a few decades ago and your ready to declare the universe empty of all life? That doesn't make much sense if you actually try thinking about it does it?
2- If you read up on what evolution actually says you will quickly discover it has nothing to do with spontaneous generation. So when you think about that for a quick second it doesn't make much sense either.
3- Earths "global specific environs" have been found to be quite different in the past, they are also quite different depending on the seasons, and are remarkably different at various locations at the same time. Think of conditions at a thermal vent at the bottom of the ocean and ask if that is the same "specific environ" as the Sahara or the amazon rain forest. There is no specific environment so, personally, I wouldn't play that card either.
Perhaps you need to re-think your position a tiny bit?

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Vacate
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Message 40 of 211 (495735)
01-24-2009 5:41 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by homunculus
01-24-2009 5:28 AM


Re: coming up for air!
I said only that life producing life is all that has been observed. That is a very unbiased, although I am biased for creation, neutral and immutable assertion, Saying the contrary is strictly speculation, no matter the favor.
Given that we haven't even found all the species on this planet yet, and barely have the technology to hope for finding life on other planets it is hardly suprising that we haven't another example to point at currently. Though you seem to consider that the final answer I consider your view to be strictly speculation (and a discredit to all those who are looking)
Also you seem to have ignored the fact that any form of "life" that was to spontaneously arrise in our current environment would almost immediatley be consumed by life that is currently occupying that environment. I consider that to be stacking the deck in your favor. I am sure any scientist in the field would agree that life spontaneously arrising in todays competition is hardly likely, and even less likely to be witnessed. Now imagine a world without life and it becomes possible, but your likely going to respond that we can't witness it. Nice way to win a debate but it doesn't mean such an event didn't happen.

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