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Author Topic:   The Plausibility of Alien Life
Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 73 (495873)
01-24-2009 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by bluescat48
01-24-2009 12:03 PM


bluescat writes:
If such life was advanced, far beyond our own, the yes it would be plausible that alien life could travel to our earth.
Do you agree or not and why?
Factors relative to life advanced far beyond our own.
1. Such life, being in a higher dimension than our own, like invisible forces of science may be invisible to the level of human eyesight.
2. Such life may have powers capable of affecting the human Psyche.
3. Such life, being of a higher intelligence may exercise higher energy than humans consider natural; i.e. supernatural powers.
4. Such intelligent energy may not be restricted to the necessities of life required on planet earth or to moving about in the cosmos. As is the case with inanimate forces operating in the cosmos, so may it be with these intelligent creatures.
In summary, if a higher level of intelligence is possible, why not a higher state of physiology.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 15 of 73 (495956)
01-25-2009 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by bluescat48
01-24-2009 4:55 PM


Super And Natural Or Supernatural?
bluescat writes:
So if one involves speculation, let's assume that this planet has a natural history very similar to our own, formed about the same time, with similar amounts of water, the same minerals and same climate and everything evolved the same way. The one difference is no Dark Ages. the discoveries we made since the 1600's they made 1000 years earlier.
Thus they would be advanced. That is what I meant when I said
bluescat writes:
If such life was advanced, far beyond our own
Why require the same physiology as ours? Why not an advanced psyiology allowing for space existence and like inanimate objects which move about in the universe? Why not the possibility of intelligent properties relative to some objects which we humans would consider inanimate? Could, perhaps, the mysterious aspects of things like particles or some other phenomena be related to intelligence in them?
Many humans of sound mind have made claims of powers relative to alleged encounters involving entities greater than our own in both the good and evil such as witchcraft, voodoo, paganism, spiritism, Biblical, flying saucer claims, etc.
Is it rational to insist that each and every one of these, claimed throughout human history are all bogus? Multiple eye witnesses of sound mind, have attested to the phenomenon of levitation in spiritualist meetings, for example.
Is what earthlings regard as supernatural really super natural or, perhaps, a super and natural form of intelligent creatures.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 17 of 73 (495964)
01-25-2009 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by bluescat48
01-25-2009 11:45 AM


Re: Super And Natural Or Supernatural?
bluescat writes:
That would be unknown until one can truly define the difference between natural and supernatural or if there is a grey area between them that appears to be both.
Those differences are already defined. Online Dictionary; supernatural:
1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces
Both one and two appear to apply to your OP proposition.
Online Dictionary; natural:
1. Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl.
2. Of, relating to, or concerning nature: a natural environment.
3. Conforming to the usual or ordinary course of nature: a natural death
Your OP does not appear to limit what may be possible to what is considered supernatural.
Perhaps if science were not so reluctant to research relative to anything even remotely applicable to the definition of supernatural or that which is beyond the definition of natural, our knowledge of the universe would be expanded.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 73 (495983)
01-25-2009 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Modulous
01-24-2009 3:34 PM


Re: Cosmological Compatibility To Life In The Universe
Modulous writes:
Well, with our meagre naked eye we can see several stars similar to our sun. Alpha Centauri A is a little over 4 light years away Tau Ceti is a mere 12 light years away, 51 Pegasi is about 50 light years away. I think from that alone we can infer it is almost certainly the case that there are many G V stars in the universe.
As well, re: December 2008 issue of Discovery Magazine's article, “A Universe Built for Us” (pp. 52-58):
Discovery Magazine, one of the most widely read naturalistic science journals featured an article by Tim Fogler who said that our our universe “seems inexplicably well designed for life” (52).
Tim Fogler, author of the article, cited the fact that the laws of physics are fine-tuned to emerge and sustain life, having properties which “are uncannily suited for life. Tweak the laws of physics in just about any way and”in this universe, anyway”life as we know it would not exist” (52).
“Call it a fluke, a mystery, a miracle. Or call it the biggest problem in physics. .....," says Fogler.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 23 of 73 (496045)
01-25-2009 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Modulous
01-25-2009 5:00 PM


Re: Cosmological Compatibility To Life In The Universe
Your admonishment is well taken, Modulous. In retrospect I agree that I used enough similar or exact words, other than Folger's quotes, for my own message to credit the source.
Thanks for citing the Discovery article link. The following exerpt cites what appears to be some significant cosmological compatibility to life:
Consider just two possible changes. Atoms consist of protons, neutrons, and electrons. If those protons were just 0.2 percent more massive than they actually are, they would be unstable and would decay into simpler particles. Atoms wouldn’t exist; neither would we. If gravity were slightly more powerful, the consequences would be nearly as grave. A beefed-up gravitational force would compress stars more tightly, making them smaller, hotter, and denser. Rather than surviving for billions of years, stars would burn through their fuel in a few million years, sputtering out long before life had a chance to evolve. There are many such examples of the universe’s life-friendly properties”so many, in fact, that physicists can’t dismiss them all as mere accidents.
“We have a lot of really, really strange coincidences, and all of these coincidences are such that they make life possible,” Linde says.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 73 (496111)
01-26-2009 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by anglagard
01-26-2009 2:42 AM


Re: Have You Considered the Alternative?
anglagard writes:
Hey, if you can figure out a way to exceed the speed of light, I'm all ears (or eyes). Sure people scoffed at human flight or lunar landings, but the state of the art in physics may be a bit trickier.
My understanding is that all we know about antimater particles is that when they encounter corresponding matter particles, they disappear. Does that mean we have no knowledge of where antimatter particles go, their capability and how fast they are capable of moving? Could the encounter of anti-matter particles with matter particles generate invisible intelligent phenomena? It appears that a not is still unknown relative to what exists in the universe and the capability of the invisible.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 73 (496198)
01-26-2009 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Agobot
01-26-2009 10:34 AM


Re: Have You Considered the Alternative?
Agobot writes:
You have a wrong impression of matter particles. Matter particles are not solid balls.
I understood that. Neither are alleged Biblical aliens who allegedly appear and disappear to humans. I'm not implying that angels are matter particles but perhaps have some similar properties.
If i were you, i'd delete this part. Would an atomic blast create humans? Did the Hiroshima bomb create angels?
My understanding is that we don't know what encounters of anti-matter particles (abe: do) to matter particles except that it makes (abe: both of) them invisible to humans/disappear. Where am I going wrong?
Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 72 of 73 (496365)
01-27-2009 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Parasomnium
01-27-2009 2:39 AM


Re: (Anti)matter And Cosmological Intelligence
Parasomnium writes:
We do know what happens when matter and antimatter meet: they annihilate one another and are completely converted to energy according to Einstein's famous formula E=mc2.
Hi Parasomnium. I appreciate that you are still among us, though we don't agree on much. As I recall you have been an amiable and fair opponent to debate counterparts.
1. Isn't that essentially what I said, that we don't know? How do we know they annihilate one another, and what form of energy, etc.
2. To annihilate and to convert are two different processes. Imo, you can't have both but one or the other. If converted, as I surmised, we don't know, to what form of energy.
My point again was that perhaps they have similar properties to what the Bible describes as angel creatures which appear from the human eye to convert to a different energy.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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