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Agobot
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Message 133 of 143 (495401)
01-22-2009 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by Larni
01-21-2009 10:25 AM


Re: Re-Expansion
Larni writes:
Does this expansion have any effect on vacuum energy? Does it get more diffuse as space expands?
I believe you have to get rid of certain assumptions if you want to get the "whole" picture of how everything fits together in the universe from the smallest constituent parts to the largest(that's what most physicists say anyway).
I know this might cause more confusion than understanding but unless we drop certain kinds of realism and locality, all the effects seen in experiments in different fields of physics cannot be explained. Take the photon for example. Andromeda is now 2.4 mln. light years away but in the past, theory says, it was closer. Regardless of this, a photon emitted from a star within the galaxy, will not travel any distance towards the Milky Way, from its frame of reference. This is because at c, time dilation becomes infinity so any distance within the universe from the photon's frame of reference is zero, whether there is metric expansion or not. What's even more mind-boggling is that every emitted photon is everywhere in the universe at once, while in transit. The enigma lies in the question - what is "everywhere" for the photon? And what is the "universe"?
You cannot grasp this while holding onto to realism and locality. Those 2 notions are characteristic of our experience, not of how the universe is. Space and time are relative concepts, not fixed ones. They utterly depend on the observer's frame of reference.
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Agobot
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Message 140 of 143 (495998)
01-25-2009 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by DevilsAdvocate
01-25-2009 4:02 PM


Devil's Advocate writes:
Problem is Thief,
Your posts make no sense. They are not coherent or understandable. And what is the point of your post. It makes no sense.
Length, time, colour and even mass depend on the observer's frame of reference. When you know how relative these concepts are, i am sure you'll be able to make sense of most of what he was saying in the post below:
thief writes:
So...Geometrical concepts height, width, length,and time are required to understand complex events, and some events calculate to observations that may be difficult to deal with if exposed to them.
At the speed of light, oncoming light sources would color shift, and no light source following you can be seen
See also here:
Special Relativity Simulator - About
thief writes:
You would have to deal with a perceptual warp.
No, you won't. That's one of the postulates of the theory you are describing. Nothing can travel FTL and no material object with mass can travel at the speed of light. One day, if we could utilise energy in quantities like that of the Sun, maybe we could get near the speed of light. But that's pure speculation.
thief writes:
Some believe that time slows as the speed of light is approached.
They don't believe, they are certain.
thief writes:
Would you continue to age?
Yes, but time is relative. It may seem like time passed at its conventional rate for you, but your grand-children might have already died of old age.
thif writes:
A journey through space, would later bring you home to find all the people you knew, to be dead by several hundred years. Your perception of time would be warped.
Right, time is relative.
thief writes:
I can think of one situation where time does not apply.
c?
thief writes:
I am aware that extreme speed or extreme gravity 'warp' our perceptions
onifre writes:
Of what?
Distance, straight line, time, colour, mass.
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