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Granny Magda
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Message 7 of 41 (496033)
01-25-2009 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Wheely
01-25-2009 6:38 PM


Whoops!
Hi Wheely,
Here is an entertaining contradiction;
Creationkid.com writes:
The death pose is the feature that shows the necks of many of the deceased animals stretched back as far as they will go. What is going on here?
The evolutionists suggest that the reason is because the tendons in the animal's necks dried out, which stretched the animal's necks back.
Source
Yet here...
Creationkid.com writes:
Now an evolutionist may suggest that they were trying to breathe because the giant meteorite hit the earth and it kicked up massive amounts of dust & sediments which resulted in the dinosaurs trying to take in a breath of fresh air.
Source
So... What do the evolutionists say? Is it the tendons, or the ridiculously funny claim about a last gulp of air? I challenge you to show me a single example of serious scientist claiming this latter one.
Creaionkid.com writes:
Clams are found with Meat-Eating dinosaurs, for one example.
Such as...
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Granny Magda
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Message 11 of 41 (496048)
01-25-2009 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Wheely
01-25-2009 10:32 PM


Re: Reply to the current posts
Thanks for your reply Wheely, I'll restrict myself to answering the section addressed to me, but I would like to mention one thing first.
We don't debate strings of bare links on this site. The admin's frown upon it, since it is against the forum's rules. Your friend's videos may be very interesting, but no-one is going to debate Youtube links.

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I am not contradicting myself. The argument put forth to explain the ”death pose’ is that the tendons in the necks dried out and stretched the necks back, preview my resources stated above.
That is one potential explanation that has been put forward yes.
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one argument that I heard to explain the extinction of the dinosaurs is via a big meteorite hitting the earth.
So you from that you arrived at the idea that scientists must use it to explain the death pose? Is that what you are saying? How on Earth does that follow?
By the way, the name "Earth" should be capitalised. I wouldn't normally criticise you on this type of thing, but, since you have set yourself up as an educator of children, you really shouldn't be making such basic mistakes.
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Furthermore, if you read what I wrote, word for word, you would have read:
“ . an evolutionist MAY suggest . ”
And they may suggest that magic pixies posed them like that whilst out on a pixie booze-up. They might say anything, but unless you can point to point to an actual example of someone saying this, I have to assume that you simply pulled it out of your ass.
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I have to admit that is a hypothesis of mine; a speculation if you will.
Or fib, if you will.
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It is based on the kind of answers I get from those who hold to the evolution theory.
Example?
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I had never heard the story that they died of suffociation via polluted air. That is why I said that “ . an evolutionist MAY suggest . ”, 'not evolutionists suggest'. There is a big difference in those to phrases.
Okay, let's see how you like it.
Creationists may suggest that the moon is made of cheese. They may suggest that Hitler was a really swell guy. They may suggest that motor cars are powered by tiny leprechauns.
They might, but they don't, and so long as they don't, insinuating that they would say that is a totally dishonest smear tactic. The gasping-for-air hypothesis that you attempt to place in the mouths of "evolutionists" is so foolish, so utterly stupid, that your use of it represents an attempt to smear scientists by associating them with a transparently silly idea. It's dishonest. It's lying in fact, especially when, if you wanted to make clear that you were proposing a hypothetical scenario, the more usual form would be "evolutionists might say...".
Unless you can point to a reputable scientist proposing such a theory, you have no more reason to mention gasping-for-air than you do my pixie hypothesis.
Why don't you show me a reputable scientist, preferably from the last few decades, making the gasping-for-air claim? Whilst you're at it, why don't you show me some of those dinosaur+clam fossils that you claim are so commonplace?
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Granny Magda
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Message 24 of 41 (496091)
01-26-2009 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Wheely
01-26-2009 12:20 AM


Re: Wheely's Response
Hi Wheely,
quote:
You are putting words in my mouth again.
Perhaps. Let's take a look.
Granny writes:
I have to assume that you simply pulled it out of your ass.
Wheely writes:
I have never been given that as an actual argument
Looks like I'm doing pretty well at it.
If you have never heard this argument used, you have no right whatever trying to pass it off as an argument that is used to support evolution. Here on planet Earth, we call this process "lying". Please stop it; Jesus wasn't keen on it. Does your crappy site make clear that you have never heard this argument? No it does not. In fact it implies the opposite.
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As for your ”moon made of cheese’ argument, I have never heard Creationists or Evolutionists claim the moon is made of cheese or any other silly argument like that.
I have. Does that give me carte blanche to make up any claim I like and insinuate that creationists believe it? Of course not. Your behaviour is dishonest and profoundly un-Christian. You are a bearer of false witness Wheely.
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However I did here one evolutionist say that if the waters filled the entire Earth as the scriptures indicate the earth would be touching Pluto. That is as close as I have gotten so ”crack-pot’ answers like that.
I am curious to see a source backing up this claim. Nonetheless, even if someone has claimed this, it brings us to another source of dishonesty on your part; your use of the word "evolutionist".
In the course of EvC discussions, this term gets used a lot. When used as a short-hand way of describing those on the evolution side of the debate, I have no problem with it. Your use however, I do object to.
Your site constantly uses "evolutionist" and, certainly on the pages I linked to, makes no attempt to distinguish between professional scientists and internet debaters. Both are simply labelled "evolutionists". This is dishonest.
You attempt to justify your lies by claiming that they are based on claims made on discussion boards by "evolutionists", yet your site does not make clear that you mean anonymous internet debaters. Any child reading your site would think that gasping-for-air is the explanation (for the death pose) favoured by actual scientists.
It doesn't matter what some ignorant git said to you on the internet. It doesn't matter what I think and it doesn't natter what you think. What matters is the enormous body of work that has gone toward forming the opinions of the worlds scientists. If you want to represent the claims made by the Theory of Evolution, look to them. Don't be so dishonest as to attempt to pass off the ramblings of insane net-geeks as being representative of the state of the art in evolutionary theory. That is dishonest, i.e. it is a lie.
Do you really think that Jesus would want you to lie to our kids?
Oh and by the way;
Where are the meat-eating dinosaur+clam fossils that you claim are ubiquitous? I'm dying to take a look at them, since I am curious as to what you think it is about these alleged fossils that contradicts the ToE.
Or did you pull that one out of your ass as well?
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Granny Magda
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Message 31 of 41 (496113)
01-26-2009 10:19 AM


More Nonsense
Let's take a look at another page full of nonsense shall we?
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Atheists suggest that this universe came into existence by the process of a big explosion (The Big Bang Theory).
Source
No, scientists propose the Big Bang theory, not just atheists. There is a difference you know, not least because the majority of scientists are religious.
By the way, the Big Bang was not an explosion. The word you are groping for is expansion.
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There are many problems with this theory; but one basic one is an explosion causes:
A BIG MESS
Have you looked at the skies recently? They are both big and messy. Besides, the Big bang was not an explosion.
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As always the evidence does not agree with such a story. When God created this universe he created this universe and earth in such a way to allow life. One of the things that he did to ensure that life would flourish on earth is to place this earth just far enough away from the sun.
Oh really? Do tell...
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THIS EARTH IS 93 MILLION MILES AWAY FROM THE SUN.
Wrong. The Earth is an average of about 93 million miles, or about 150 million km away from the Sun.
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IF THIS EARTH WAS ANY CLOSER TO THE THE SUN, ALL LIFE WOULD BURN UP.
Wrong. The Earth has an elliptical orbit, as every schoolchild should know. The distance between Sun and Earth varies at different points in it's orbit. This has been known for centuries, but it seems to have passed you by.
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IF THIS EARTH WAS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SUN ALL LIFE WOULD FREEZE.
Wrong again. The distance between the Sun at aphelion (furthest point from the Sun) and perihelion (closest point to Sun) is about 5 million km!. You would know this already if you had payed attention at school. You would also know this if you had bothered to do the slightest bit of research, even as little as a cursory Google or check on Wikipedia. Apparently, you can't be bothered, even though you are setting yourself up as a self-proclaimed educator of children. Do you think it acceptable to teach children such pathetically wrong nonsense Wheely? I would hope not.
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An explosion can not cause such a fine-tuned job.
Expansion. Not explosion.
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This is just 1 example of how this earth and universe is so finely tuned. There are hundreds of examples within our universe and all of these display the hand of God.
Even if your claims were not so transparently false, your general argument would still be absurd. We live in a universe that supports (some) life. Why are you surprised at this? Would you expect to be observing this fact from a universe that did not support life? The Anthropic Principle answers this tired old canard quite adequately. No need to invoke God.
Put simply, this whole page is bullshit and completely unsuitable for education purposes. All it can do is fill a child's head with rubbish. Epic fail.
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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