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Author Topic:   The Plausibility of Alien Life
Larni
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Message 50 of 73 (496224)
01-27-2009 4:12 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Buzsaw
01-26-2009 10:03 AM


Re: Have You Considered the Alternative?
My understanding is that all we know about antimater particles is that when they encounter corresponding matter particles, they disappear.
This is incorrect.
There is:
mutual annihilation, leading to direct conversion of matter to energy.
http://www.designnews.com/...sion_a_Future_Power_Source_.php
This rest of your points do not match the evidence.
ABE: Ninja'd
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 54 of 73 (496240)
01-27-2009 7:32 AM
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01-27-2009 6:32 AM


How can the maximum speed of light be faster than the maximum speed of light?
Edited by Larni, : Forgot the ?

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Larni
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Message 62 of 73 (496284)
01-27-2009 12:46 PM
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01-27-2009 8:53 AM


If you aim at Mars with a laser and it takes the fist photon 3 minutes to hit and then move your aim to Jupiter (say for example Jupiter in 3 light hours away) it will take the first photon 3 hours to arrive.
I think the idea you have in your head is a perfectly rigid bar 3 light minutes long that can poke Mars from Earth and then being move to poke something else at a similar distance, thus moving the point faster than the speed of light.
The energy required to move the bar through any amount of degrees would increase with the length and the perfect rigidity of the bar is a product of I don't know what engineering.
It would not happen.
Of course you may not be thinking this.

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Larni
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Message 65 of 73 (496292)
01-27-2009 1:40 PM
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01-27-2009 12:59 PM


The beam of light diffuses.
Imagine a stream of water firing out of a hose in free fall and vacuum.
Now slow down the camera; looks like a solid stream of water, right?
Now move the hose 45 degrease to the right.
What do you see?
That's what happens with a 'stream' of photons.

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Larni
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Message 67 of 73 (496294)
01-27-2009 2:00 PM
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01-27-2009 1:51 PM


And I don't think light behaves like water coming from a hose. Light always moves in straight lines, that's a crucial point.
That's why I stipulated free fall and a vacuum environment.
Over 3 light minutes the been will be massively diffuse because there will be not enough individual photons to 'paint' the target line of the beam.
You would get a line from Mars to Jupiter (say 3 light minutes apart) with maybe one photon per million miles (the numbers are doubtless wrong but I hope I'm explaining the principal).
This would trail along taking 3 hours to arrive.
I in no way argue that light bends in this instance. It moves in a straight line at the speed of light. Never faster.

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Larni
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Message 69 of 73 (496300)
01-27-2009 2:34 PM
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01-27-2009 2:14 PM


No, there are trillions of trillions of them.
Could be. But the light would still take the same amount of time to reach the new target of the beam and all points in between.
But if you move your hand and the light trails behind your movement, someone watching your event with a telescope would see that light is following a curved path. That's impossible.
No they wouldn't: it's impossible.
Well, I still don't think just pointing a laser at another target somehow alters the speed of the beam but I guess I've reached the limit of my knowledge of physics and can't really do anything other than restate my point.
So I'd better leave it, too.
Edited by Larni, : Clarity.

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