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Author Topic:   "Macro" vs "Micro" genetic "kind" mechanism?
Annafan
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Message 191 of 248 (496575)
01-29-2009 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by olivortex
01-29-2009 6:20 AM


olivortex writes:
wow, i can't seem to be able to post images. i'm new on this. i know i'll soon be helped.
Use the "peek" button in the lower left corner of a post with images (or other features that look interesting) to check out the tags that you have to use to achieve the same effects.

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Annafan
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From: Belgium
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Message 192 of 248 (496577)
01-29-2009 6:45 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by RAZD
01-28-2009 9:19 PM


Re: lists aren't limits.
RAZD writes:
1. Death by mutation
Interestingly, death by mutation occurs when a mutation is deleterious, removing the deleterious mutation from the genetic pool of the population. Amazingly the death of some organisms in a population does not prevent the rest of the population from evolving - changing hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation - as such quickly removed mutations don't last long enough to impact the population.
Death does not occur with neutral or beneficial mutations, nor does it limit the occurance of these types of mutations in other members of the population. Mutations that allow an organism to take advantage of a different ecology/ies, gives them more options, not death.
So I don't see how "death by mutation" necessarily limits the rest of the population in the slightest, in how they can evolve to take advantage of their ecological opportunities.
One of the most important things to point out here, IMO, is the typical reproductive overcapacity of organisms: even in the absence of any deadly mutations and other causes of death, the available resources and environment would eventually limit how many organisms would stay alive. Darwin himself calculated how many elephants (very slow breading animals!) there would be if so many wouldn't die because of survival of the fittest: in a geological blink of an eye the whole solarsystem would be filled with elephant poop (that's not exactly his calculation, but it amounts to the same !
This insight was extremely important for Darwin to come up with his concept of natural selection, and he got it mainly by reading the work of Thomas Malthus, "An Essay on the Principle of Population"
The reproductive overcapacity means that the impact of detrimental, deadly mutations is nearly meaningless. It's not much more than background noise.

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