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Straggler
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Message 170 of 211 (496518)
01-28-2009 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by ICANT
01-28-2009 4:40 PM


Re: Re Life
Capt writes:
Do you have any information to offer on the nature of the life that you believe God breathed into the hardware portion of the first man?
The central processing unit called the mind.
Does all life have a "mind"?
I am intrigued by this definition of life that you claim. What is it that defines something as "alive"?
How can we establish definitively that which has been touched by God's breath and that which has not? What is alive and what is not?

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Straggler
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Message 172 of 211 (496522)
01-28-2009 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by ICANT
01-28-2009 5:22 PM


Re: Re Life
I don't find where God breathed the breath of life into anything other than the first man which was the first life form.
This event only happened one time.
He does not say how He imparted life to anything else.
He did cause life forms to exist. Plants, animals, fowl and fish, but He does not give the details.
So you don't mind if I don't speculate do you?
OK. Don't speculate. Let's take the biblical account absolutely literally.
By this definition it would seem that man is the only form of life.
No?
If the bible does not say so then on what grounds do you conclude that bacteria, or indeed any other forms of life not specifically described as such in the bible, are actually alive?

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Straggler
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Message 178 of 211 (496621)
01-29-2009 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by ICANT
01-28-2009 10:57 PM


Re: Re Life
I don't find where God breathed the breath of life into anything other than the first man which was the first life form.
This event only happened one time.
He does not say how He imparted life to anything else.
He did cause life forms to exist. Plants, animals, fowl and fish, but He does not give the details.
So you don't mind if I don't speculate do you?
Straggler writes:
OK. Don't speculate. Let's take the biblical account absolutely literally.
By this definition it would seem that man is the only form of life.
No?
If the bible does not say so then on what grounds do you conclude that bacteria, or indeed any other forms of life not specifically described as such in the bible, are actually alive?
All plants were made to grow out of the ground.
Every living creature was formed out of the ground.
If it is alive it was formed.
So is it God's breath or being "formed" that defines what is alive? You seem to be changing your story to suit your argument.
Is man formed?
Has a plant had the breath of life breathed into it? Has a fish?
Is a mushroom alive?
Is coral alive?
Is bacteria alive?
On what basis do you make your answers?
From a biblical point of view how do we determine what is alive and what is not?

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Straggler
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Message 187 of 211 (496845)
01-31-2009 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by ICANT
01-30-2009 8:14 PM


Re: Re Life
I don't find where God breathed the breath of life into anything other than the first man which was the first life form.
This event only happened one time.
He does not say how He imparted life to anything else.
He did cause life forms to exist. Plants, animals, fowl and fish, but He does not give the details.
So you don't mind if I don't speculate do you?
Straggler writes:
OK. Don't speculate. Let's take the biblical account absolutely literally.
By this definition it would seem that man is the only form of life.
No?
If the bible does not say so then on what grounds do you conclude that bacteria, or indeed any other forms of life not specifically described as such in the bible, are actually alive?
All plants were made to grow out of the ground.
Every living creature was formed out of the ground.
If it is alive it was formed.
Straggler writes:
From a biblical point of view how do we determine what is alive and what is not?
ICANT writes:
The plants in Genesis 2:9 God made to grow out of the ground.
The beasts and fowls in Genesis 2:19 were formed from the ground.
There were no fish at this time.
There was no coral at this time.
Because there was no sea at this time.
I am referring to the time man was formed from the dust of the ground.
ICANT you are missing the point as usual.
If you define life in biblical terms then on what basis can you conclude that coral or bacteria are actually alive?
If you define life in biological terms then on what basis can you claim that God "breathed life" into anything?
ICANT writes:
God breathed into him the breath of life.
Life had to exist for God to transfer life to the man He had formed.
God is alive.
He has a Mind, Spirit and Body.
So no, God believing creationist do not have to accept that abiogenesis happened period.
So are bacteria alive?
On which basis, biblical or biological, do you conclude this answer?

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Straggler
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Message 188 of 211 (496846)
01-31-2009 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Buzsaw
01-30-2009 11:34 PM


Re: Buzsaw Source Of Life Hypothesis
Are bacteria alive?
Can you cite the biblical reference that supports your answer?

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