Faith and belief - The Almighty God revealed through his grandness

In this thread my only hope and objective is to reveal the love of God through his grand ways. By the time this thread has lived up to its goal all will be in awe of his grandeur and nobility but most importantly his LOVE for humanity. Yet be warned this is not inherently meant to be a scientific debate though some elements of science may crop up in the discussions from time to time, but of course with the sole purpose of illuminating God's grandness. This is chiefly a theological debate but everyone's welcome to participate; be that as it may, not that I discourage opposition viewpoints I will encourage curious folks to spend less time finding fault and more time reading about the greatness of God as it unfolds on their screens and asking questions where they fail to understand or beg to differ. I also call upon fellow believers to aid me in this quest, my goal is to make this as open-ended as can be, so please dont shy away from making known your knowledge of God, God is immense and I could never single-handedly be able to unfold him.O Lord, our Lord, whose glory is higher than the heavens, how noble is your name in all the earth! When I see your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have put in their places. What is man, that you keep him in mind? the son of man, that you take him into account? (Psalm 8:1,3,4)Indeed what am I that you bother to care about me, you are so far out of my reach yet just close enough to satisfy my deepest needs. To start this debate I would like to hear some personal viewpoints about God's greatness, please start posting.The following quote is added by edit by Adminnemooseus: (SOURCE)Edited by Cedre, : spelling correctionEdited by Adminnemooseus, : Added quote material and source link.

Thanks for being the first person to commentary on my thread. You fail to understand the route I've taken with this thread, this is a strategic move, you'll witness the effect of it in due time, I have it well plotted out. Well do you actually have a viewpoint pertaining to the theme of the thread or are you simply a barrel of criticism.

Allow me to begin with time. the bible is a prophetic book, Danial, Isaiah, Ezekial, Jeremiah and the like. Under God's inspiration they foretold amazing events of the future, focusing chiefly on the outcome of the Jewish people and the various elements that shaped and affected them. Now i come to my point but first note this piece of scripture "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (Gen 1:1) From this it is made known to us that God was present at the beginning he wasn't a result of it, he was ther to oversee it in fact he orchestratedthe whole event. This first act of creation introduced the concept of matter and space with the next act of creation found in, God introduced the concept of time, Gen 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. "Time is a created concept of God and as such does not bound God like it does men and the whole universe, he operates outside the borders of time and as such can move through the past, present, and future in fact he is present in all three at once, he knows the future from the present nothing whether it be in the future is kept hidden from God's eyes. Therefore it is no wonder that his prophets could foresee for miles on end into the future. God cannot be controlled by something he masterminded. What a far-reaching thought that God is present in all domains of time, it surely makes my hair stand on end.Edited by Cedre, : correctionEdited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Sometimes people find it thorny to fathom how God could have just existed he must have come from somewhere, well understanding that God is without time helps to resolve this recurring thought. It follows from this this that god was just there, he is timeless, He just was, is, and will be. He told moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. (Exo 3:14)
That is why God the son when confronted by his opposers replied in John 8:58 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
He is all powerful indeed

Unlike what you've just said space has time and bodies suspended throughout it travel with time, how else can we explain time on earth itself. Space is also subjected to Entropy, just as everthing on earth is, and antropy can only occur in the presence of time. More to the point every logical person has reasoned that the unviverse has to have had a begining this is where big bang cosmolgy hails from.

I really don't know if I should respond to what you've just said, its not worth debating as far as I'm concerned. But I'll egg you on to put away such infantile reasoning and get serious with life, listen to what your gut is telling you, I'm sure if you only cared to listen closely to it you'd hear it telling you to succumb to God and his way of righteousness. He is a reality, he has proven hismelf over and over by changing people's lives for the better. I have no regrets submitting my life to Christ so far his treated me just well, like royalty, and I'm glad that he loves me regardless of my human imperfections. I think that you should give God a real serious thought. Let me use the following two scenarios to explain why, if I have spent my whole life leading a godly life and die only to realise that there isn't a God, and that after death you just cease to live, I'll have no sorrows because I'm no more. However say you lived your life exclusively of God and die only to confront a God who penalises sinners, you'll have a lot to be sorrowful for. Give this thought your earnest consideration.Edited by Cedre, : correctionEdited by Cedre, : No reason given.

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"How much longer will you enjoy being stupid fools? Won't you ever stop sneering and laughing at knowledge?" - Pro 1:22

By understanding that God operates outside of not only time but also space as we know it (the universe), already begin to give understanding of just how great a god he is.For some, having no beginning is indeed a hard pill to swallow, because of our daily experiences that inform us that something occupying a certain region of space at any time started its occupation at a given time in the past and will eventually cease to occupy that very space as it is ultimately moved or destroyed. Something that has an end should have a beginning because that is just the way it goes.It would be highly inane reasoning to resolve that something which is going to ultimately disintegrate before that could have had an eternal existence, why didn't it cease to exist a long time ago, why only start now? Reasoning that having a beginning is just as illogical as having no beginning especially when talking about things we know will someday become flat is nonsense as far as logic goes. Therefore something with an end must have had a point of conception in time.Yet God is not deterred by time and has no beginning as invoked already a few times in this thread, because a beginning implies slavery to time. Thus it is logical to decribe God as being eternal, or as being everlasting. Yet even this kind of language envokes a sense of endless time, nevertheless it's the best one can do at describing the timeles nature of God.Now speaking of the universe its end according to some already loom on the horizon, others suggest that in far future the glow of the cosmos will evetually fade until it is cold and dark, and still others foresee the end differently, that is with the expansion of the universe slowing to a halt, reversing direction toward an inescapable apocalyptic Big Crunch, either way all things as we know it will end.
God says in Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away, he further says in Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. So he will be there when everything as we know it come to an end. After that what is left is God his beloved children and eternity sort of, or rather a timeless period that just goes on and on and on, without day or night.The scary part is what about the godless, what is their role in eternity, well I really needn't say anything here, everyone has heard what the fate of disbelievers is the lake of fire, as said here Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are also the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. and, Rev 20:15 And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire. In other words the lake of fire (hell) is timeless punishment. Grim ins't it.God knew all along about this hellish punishment that is why he performed the greatest single act ever, much greater even than the creation. The incarnation of CHRIST (GOD) Joh 1:14 And the Word (God) became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. God took the greatest stoop ever, abondoning his glorious nature and assuming the flesh of a lowly servant, who was and still is hated by the world despised by humanity, mocked , and eventually killed. He did it just for us an undeserving race. Why? Becase God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life, (John 3:16).The above is God's love revealed, he is great much much greater than us in nature and state yet he loves us unconditionally, in fact the bible says that he is love, not only does he give love, but that is what he is. Some may try to deny God's love by alluding to the existence of hell, while forgetting the chances after chances that God has given them to repent, to turn away from sin, they forget about his long-suffering. Maybe it needs a bit of clarifying. God hates evil, he is a Holy God, he cannot suffer evil gladly, he despises it, Pro 8:13 The fear of Jehovah is to hate evil: Pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, And the perverse mouth, do I hate. he says. O that he pines he could just wipe it out, and evil doers along with it, yet his very nature that is love hampers him from acting out so mercilesly. His love keeps him from just destroyng the very thing he hates with every fibre of his being. So bearing the above-said in mind determine your age, some of you might reply 18, 25, 35, still others of you might reply 54, 67, 87. God has been putting up with you and your sinful ways for all this years, it is chiefly by his sustaining grace that we are living, he withold the full affects of death disease and pain from us, he regulates the destructive force of entropy. Any way he in addtion came to die for a sinning race that there might be a way of escape out of a timeless punishment in the lake of fire. And God is by no way unjust he has said in his word that the world will not end until all have heard of his Son and the gift of forgiveness and eternal life.So all in all he endures our sin, puts up with it until someday we decide to give him the light of day. Waking up every morning surving over to another day, is a show of God's long-sufferance for us and our sinful ways. His lofty position above us, above space, and above all creation and his love for us in the face of our position as unworthy recipients of that love, this is a glimpse of God's love revealed through his grandness.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : correctionEdited by Cedre, : correctionEdited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

My argument is a powerful one considering that I drew from chiefly a theological standpoint, I drew from very little science in making my point, but make a point I did. Whether you want to deny it nevertheless I showed God's love for humanity, but I also explained what it means to die never reaching the point of accepting God, and how God interposed just on time to safe the human race.

Dear Peg this is the kind of contribution I'm talking about. do keep on contributing positively but please feel free to oppose as you wish aswell. Invite other christians to this thread, this is our chance to show the Almighty God.

I'm not here to out-distance any theologian kuresu, each one contributed in his or her own way. However my argument is clear-cut and compelling in its own right. And to clear up one thing, I intended to show how much great God is compared to his creation, with my time argument, yet how he would rather adopt flesh and become a man and suffer at the hands of his creation in order to give them a way out of an ineluctable doom instead of just going ahead and wiping us out clean.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Thanks for that comment by the way. Huntard, yours is a genuine question from the heart however as inconvenient as it may be I sadly cannot address it in this thread, I'm trying to limit the theological scope for this thread to only the Almightiness of God and how it reveals his love. But there is amble information out there concerning your query, and if you look in the correct places i assure you you will find what you're looking for.

Everyone else except Peg has been able to argue intelligently in this thread thus far, everyone else is creating alot of uncalled for noise by rehashing old and obsolete atheistic arguments that have been debunked by not soley creation scientist but also by laypersons on the streets. That is how weak and wishy-washy the arguments of certain evolution advocates are.First of all God is outside of his creation laws such as cause and effect do not necessarily have to apply to him, he is God, he brought this laws into being this laws, and like wise Peg said, every law is with a lawmaker, God is the maker of natural laws, he couldn't have had a cause being outside of time as well.Other pathetic arguments that I have come across from such folks as kuresu is the long disproved argument of abiogenesis by Louis Pasteur work, a great scientist. And as kuresu himslef has owned up all scientist have got to work with is a bunch of nonsensical and unsound conjectures as to how the first life may have arisen, in any case mounting evidence is revealing that the early atmosphere actually only consisted of nitrogen and carbon dioxide, yet we now that 96% of living matter consist of carbon, oxgen hydrogen, and nitrogen. And about Newton whatever he may have or have not done, he no less remains as one of the greatest minds to have ever graced the scientific world, and the bottom line is somehow his intelligence and research led him in the direction of God, in fact I'm still in awe of what he said and did.We can't say that much about Darwin, a preacher who failed under the pressures of medicine school, medicine school! He was a philosopher no scientist at all, and is dwarfed greatly by the likes of even Galileo amongst the earliest thinkers.And as far as morality goes it should be a major stumbling block for evolution, why should animals care about each other in a dog-eat-dog world painted by the wordlviews of evolution. Instead of unequal reproductive success we live alongside the crippled sick and disabled (mentally). Evoltuion if it were true should have wiped out this defects a long time ago. Also why do we care about others, why do we love, why are we so against wars, crimes. Morality points to God, he is the author of it.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

I applaud you for the tremendous scientific input you have brought into this discussion in support of God. It seems that your arguments were so great it scared off a few of the attackers and even managed to piss off a few more.

At first glance evolution seems to rhyme well with morality. Their argument is that individuals of a population need to behave morally to a degree because by carring for the other members of the population this helps the population by increasing their survival rate. Well this argument isn't complete because it fails when it comes to the more intelligent creatures. creatures like termites, bees, ants, wasps, act on insticnt.Take for example human beings, we do not adhere to insticnt so the question of morallity is kind of up to the individual to decide for himself. Take abortion for example how does that benefit the overall population of the human species, it kills off what are otherwise healhty babies, that would have lived on to generate healthy babies of their own. And this killings are done under the banner of freedom of choice, apparently woman have the right over their bodies, yet the child's rights are not carefully considered.
Or take rape, rape will help the population of human beings in due course by increasing the number of indivuduals. Yet we all no that it is morally incorrect to force anyone into having sex. Or take hitler for example he belived that the German's were the only superior race, he believed this morally and for humanity to take its next evolutionary step he deemed it only right to kill of the so-called lower races, and most German's agreed.Evolution fails to explain morallity in this instances and there are more examples but I'll stop here.
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Good point you brought up there about how a theory that is aimed at explaining change in genotype over time would explain morality? What known mechanisms of evolution could have resulted in morality. Morality is outside the sphere of science, how can chemistry and physics; natural law, empirical science want to explain and understand morality that falls within the scope of faith and belief system. Its ludicrous. Your question I will sadly not give an answer for, it is another topic entirely, and I do not see myself getting into it at the moment. Howvere there are various sides that you can visit on the web that deal with this issue. I'll encourage you to visit links from both sides of the debate those who support the God of the bible and those who are against that viewpoint. I want you to get a balanced view just as I have, the evidence points more strongly toward the God of the bible.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.