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monkey boy
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Message 1 of 10 (494941)
01-20-2009 7:12 AM


My brother-in-law, knowing I'm an evolutionist, talked me into reading this book. He said it really did a number on evolution. Actually it was a typical "Chariots of the clods" book, albeit more poorly written. This miserable piece of nonsense repeats all the standard creationists canards about evolution and manages to contradict itself repeatedly, as well as paint itself into several corners. This is an older book (2000), I suggest avoiding it. If you must read it, keep a large stick handy so you can periodically beat yourself on the head. It will ease the pain.

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Message 2 of 10 (494987)
01-20-2009 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by monkey boy
01-20-2009 7:12 AM


Thanks for the warning...
do you rent sticks?

It would be helpful if you gave more information about the book.

Perhaps an Amazon link?


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monkey boy
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Message 3 of 10 (497163)
02-02-2009 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by NosyNed
01-20-2009 11:54 AM


Re: Thanks for the warning...
Sorry Ned I just got back to my post. You're right I should give more on it. For starters the author, in the books biograghical blurb, list himself as an "hominid researcher". THey mean, and state research into bigfoot, the yeti, etc. You also know that he is a diciple of the 12th planet books. Which he gushes about all through the text.

The first third of the book is an anti-evolution tirade, made odder by the fact that evolution hurts none of his talking points and would actually be helpful to his overall theory. He repeats things like the old "no intermediate fossils" nonsense and completely misrepresents the Burgess Shale fossils. He admits all life on Earth is genetically related but has no way to explain this. He repeats the old line about evolution requiring development into a higher life form. He also distorts the information on the believed path of lifes evolving and makes multiple statements to the effect of how Biologists and, other evolutionary supporters, are desperate to hold on to there "failed" theory. He refers to the theory as dogma and literally represents its supporters as clergymen defending scripture against heretics.

The second part goes into Hominid evolution and his favorite creatures bigfoot, etc. Again he misrepresents and distorts the fossil record. Remember the 12th planet books I spoke of? Well he wants the alien race from them, they're called the Annuluki or something like that, to have come to Earth 150,000 years ago and genetically modified man. The surviving unmodified humans are the Yeti and bigfoot. He spends a lot of time dwelling on footprints, bigfoots I mean, and the Peterson film. He admits to fraud being committed in regards to the tracks and then stoutly defends the tracks as being almost impossible to be fraudulent because it would be so hard to get a fase foot to leave the proper track. This despite the fact that multiple people have come forward showing exactly how they made fake tracks.

The last part of the book is about the ideas expressed in the 12th planet books. Which seem to be based on a symbol next to the head of an Sumerian god that looks like a star with several circles around it. I haven't read the 12th planet books, but from what Pye says in this one I gather the "information" on the aliens existence is drawn exclusively from Sumerian mythology. Pye praises the author for his insight and discernment and castigates all the researchers who claim the stories in the Sumerian mythology are just that, myth. Yeah it takes such discernment to take stories about gods, and their wars, and the creation of man, and their falling in love with human woman and mating with them and getting the story of a bunch of aliens creating humanity out of it. According to the timeline these aliens didn't leave until 200 BCE. Yet the Persians are silent about their existence and Alexander the great and the Hellehistic societies he founded in the middle east say nothing. He also claims they built the pyranids at Giza and used them for the equivalent of an airport terminal and a fallout shelter. Did I mention the claim that the aliens had fought at least one nuclesr war in Egypt? Also how do you use a pyramid as an airport terminal AND a fallout shelter when it has no F-----g windows or doors!
I could go on like this for pages but I hope you get my drift. The book is a waste of print.


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Message 4 of 10 (497184)
02-02-2009 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by monkey boy
02-02-2009 6:56 AM


Re: Re: Thanks for the warning...
Hello Monkey boy.

While this is a very nice summary of what the book is about, I think Ned wanted abit more general info, like a link to amazon where they sell this book, or perhaps an isbn number. Right now, you only even mentioned the writer by name in passing (if Pye is his name, that is), it's a bit hard for people to know exactly what kind of book you're talking about if we don't have all that info. Thanks in advance!


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Message 5 of 10 (497187)
02-02-2009 10:58 AM
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02-02-2009 6:56 AM


Links Etc.
Is this the book? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-You-Know-Wrong-Origins/dp/0595127495/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233589399&sr=8-2

Author Lloyd Pye: Bigfoot "officianado". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Pye

I have not read the book in question but all the signs indicate a whackjob at work.............

I am not tempted to waste my time with this sort of thing.

Monkey Boy: It would really help if you explicitly stated the author and indeed the book that you are referring to. There are other books with the title "Everything You Know Is wrong". Hopefully I have linked to the correct one.

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monkey boy
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Message 6 of 10 (497269)
02-03-2009 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Huntard
02-02-2009 10:38 AM


Re: Re: Thanks for the warning...
OK, you're probably right but the next post down, straggler, has the right book listed. Authors name is Lloyd Pye. I'm afraid I'm not very good at this yet I'm not even sure how to add a link to my note. Still reading the notes in the how to section of this forum.

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monkey boy
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Message 7 of 10 (497270)
02-03-2009 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Straggler
02-02-2009 10:58 AM


Re: Links Etc.
You are correct on all counts. You have the correct book and author. You're third point is also correct, he is a whack job. I posted my ,admittedly, inadaquete review based on acontempt for the idea that there was anything to his writing and to help insure other people did not make the mistake of reading it.
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Message 8 of 10 (497749)
02-05-2009 11:58 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by monkey boy
02-03-2009 8:14 AM


Pye`sbook
Hi, MB, as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow (a hypothesis, not a 'proven' theory), some creo will trot out excerpts from there for support.
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Michamus
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Message 9 of 10 (505162)
04-08-2009 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Straggler
02-02-2009 10:58 AM


Re: Links Etc.
Yeah, Lloyd Pye is pretty out there. I remember running into an individual that was convinced of the authenticity of the Starchild Skull. I explained to the individual that this was most likely a case of Progeria in a child. I even mentioned the fact that the MtDNA results came up as human in origin.

It seems that followers of Lloyd Pye are more interested in conforming reality to their preconceptions, than simply following the evidence with a healthy dose of skepticism.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 10 of 10 (505167)
04-08-2009 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by monkey boy
01-20-2009 7:12 AM


I would, on the other hand, recommend the old Firesign Theater album of the same name. It offers a trip into the surreal created by smart people.

Capt.


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