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6th Sundown
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Message 61 of 65 (497750)
02-06-2009 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by IamJoseph
12-17-2007 1:40 AM


Exodus 15:23ff - And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they [were] bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah. And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink?
And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, [which] when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them, And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [am] the LORD that healeth thee.

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IamJoseph
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Message 62 of 65 (497751)
02-06-2009 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by ringo
12-17-2007 7:19 AM


Be more humble when demanding the reference of the world's most known book - you should know better than to infer I was speaking off my hat.
I thank 6th sundown #61 for posting the first recording of Herbology. The Hebrew bible is a historical and factual document, and not a book of myths and beliefs.

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6th Sundown
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Message 63 of 65 (497752)
02-06-2009 2:00 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by IamJoseph
02-06-2009 1:49 AM


Oops... actually Ringo above posted it first.
I will say, though, that generally the Bible does not characterize herbs as medicine, rather as food... which most alt-med types would argue is the fundamental objective with herbal medicine: make it your food. Also, search for the word, "balm" and observe the use of oils both for cleansing and healing... very interesting IMO.
On the other hand, the Bible is consistent and emphatic that it is God that heals, period. This, in general contradiction to modern medicine which claims that only drugs can heal (insert Beavis & Butthead AMA joke here).
Finally, I agree with IaJ that the ideas regarding general sanitation presented in the Bible seem amazingly prescient.
On another note, many here seem generally to propagate serious unhealthiness... if the Bible is to be believed:
Proverbs 12:18 There is that speaketh like the piercings of a sword: but the tongue of the wise [is] health.
Proverbs 16:24 Pleasant words [are as] an honeycomb, sweet to the soul, and health to the bones.
Edited by 6th Sundown, : sp

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IamJoseph
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Message 64 of 65 (497760)
02-06-2009 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by 6th Sundown
02-06-2009 2:00 AM


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I will say, though, that generally the Bible does not characterize herbs as medicine, rather as food... which most alt-med types would argue is the fundamental objective with herbal medicine: make it your food.
What is the dif between herbs and chemicals? Both contain specific, independent traits, and here the factor of applicability applies - which is based on knowledge and experimentation - aka 'medicine', as opposed occultism. The reference to a particular plant to cleanse water is thus not alligned with food [sustainence], but a curing action; it is akin to garlic being found as a food additive as well as being a cure for certain ailments in some regions.
We learn from here also, that a cure for a specific illness can be most likely found in abundence in a nearby vicinity; and that where a country or region has one particular food type in abundence - it is most likely that food will serve that region best.
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On the other hand, the Bible is consistent and emphatic that it is God that heals, period. This, in general contradiction to modern medicine which claims that only drugs can heal (insert Beavis & Butthead AMA joke here).
It is not really a contradiction, though its percieved as such. If we discover how a car operates - it is not proof there is no car maker. The contradiction factor comes because we form a tug of war scenario between a Creator and science. But when we consider further, there is far more science in the Creator premise than the random one: if there is a scientific basis in a process - it means there is a cause factor behind everything - and this causative factor cannot cease when we consider the origin point - even when we cannot identify that original causer. The sound premise stands w/o proof here.
Of note, there is no alternative proof to Creationism from science, and this is because science is a post creation [post origin] faculty; its like the faculty of history - it does not apply in a pre-history premise. The same error is made with slogans such as CREATIONISM VS EVOLUTION - this is corrected as 'CREATIONISM; EVOLUTION - because evolution does not apply when there is nothing to evolutionise - it is a post creation process, kicking in only after there are existant entities.
The Hebrew bible is the first document which seperated medicine from occultism, and medicine is a primal faculty of science. Cosmology was ushered in with the opening in Genesis - the universe had a beginning [finite]. Next up is entropy [form from formless; order from chas and void]. The order of these faculties also appears correct by a definable protocol; evolution, the gradual emergence of life forms [kinds], appears after the anticipatory and critical seperation of the elements [light from darkness, day from night, water from land, etc] - totally disregarded in ToE! Evolution was introduced in Genesis, Darwin's theory appearing recently, with one fulcrum variance from Genesis - and the latter premise prevails today.
To dislodge Creationism - there has to be a scientific alternative. Till theat happens....it stands and remains the topic of the day in all debates.

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Peg
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Message 65 of 65 (497761)
02-06-2009 3:59 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by clpMINI
12-05-2007 9:09 AM


Re: The Leviticus Cure for leprosy
clpMINI writes:
In Leviticus (14:1-7) you learn how to cure leprosy. Something like this:
You take your leper, two birds, some spices and a bowl. You kill the first bird and catch the blood in the bowl, mix the blood and the spices over running water.
Now you take the second bird and, not unlike a paint brush, you dip it in the blood/spice mix and proceed to paint the leper. When the leper is nice and coated, release the paint brush bird, and voila...the leper is clean again!
Seems very medically sound to me. We still do this today, right?
you lost me at ... 'Something like this...'
seriously, you took that so far out of context its not even funny!
had you of read Vs 3 you would have explained that it is NOT talking about a person WITH leprosy at all
rather this is talking about a person who is cured of leprosy and who comes before the priest for a purification ceremony.
Such a ceremony would identify the person as healed of the ailment and free to be in contact with healthy people again.

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