Noah's Ark volume calculation

You can only avoid the problem by assuming that kind is equivalent to species. That would require the ark to carry something in the neighborhood of a million animals. If you can figure out how the ark could carry a million animals then no one will argue with you about your definition of kind, but can't we pretty much agree that the ark could never have carried a million animals?So you need a definition of kind that isn't equivalent to species, because otherwise you can't know how many animals you'll need room for. Defining kind is fundamental to the problem.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Grammar.

Current estimates of the total number of species on Earth are estamated at 17500000. Multiply that by two for a mating pair we get 3500000035000000 / 7 days = 5000000
5000000 / 24 hours = 208333.3
208333.3/ 60 mins = 3472.2So this would mean that on average 3472 animals would have entered the Ark per minute. I find this vary hard to belive considering the Ark was only aprox. 450ft x 75ft x 45ft. Edited by DD2014, : No reason given.

1750000 x 2 does not equal 35000000. You have one too many 0's.Should be 3500000.That changes your final total.

Heh, thats what I get for drinking too much coffeeThanks!

killinghurts, Incorrect. The only species that would have boarded the ark are the living species that a flood would kill.

So what happened to the dinosuars? That didn't kill humans and every other species? Or did humans get "created" after the dinos went extict? How did that creation story go again...?

onfire, There are regions of the world that are unexplored such as the swamps of Africa. The swamps of Africa are as large as some of the states in America but yet they are 80% unexplored.

Are you saying the dinosuars are in Africa?

You do realize that dinosaurs became extinct some 65 million years before the Noah's ark myth, don't you?And that the volume calculation of the ark is just a thought experiment to show that that specific part of the myth is physically impossible?

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Coyote, Based on current exploration hence current scientific data. I have old science books that state our universe is 70,000,000 years old but based on current data it is approx. 20,000,000,000 years old. Who knows how old our universe will be in another 50 years. I also remember, historically, scientific data supporting a flat earth and even a geocentric earth. What other scientific data/facts do you have for me? In theory.Edited by Black, : editEdited by Black, : editEdited by Black, : editEdited by Black, : edit

They must be old books in truth. Just our earth has been known to be older than that for about a century. Not very current data. At least two separate lines of data lead to around 13.7 billion years - and that's been published for 10+ years now.

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

onfire, Go find out.Edited by Black, : edit

Science is increasingly accurate. Is that a problem for you? Or are you convinced that science is all wrong and the earth is something like 6,000 years old? If so, find or start an appropriate thread and we can discuss it. No, in fact. That is the whole point of this thread. If you disagree, show some evidence.I have evidence from my own archaeological research that disproves the global flood about 4,350 years ago. We can take that to an appropriate thread as well.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Coyote, I have respect for Science and Faith. One claims we came from a rock and another claims we came from God. However, they are both theoretical. The actual volume calculation could be fact but what was inserted into the ark is theoretical.

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Science is based on evidence. Faith is belief in spite of the lack of evidence (see below). There is no scientific evidence that the ark ever existed; it is a myth. The volume calculation, the subject of this thread, is a thought experiment.You are using "theoretical" incorrectly. You most likely mean "speculation." The term "theory" is well-defined in science. Here are a couple of definitions which may help out:

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Theory: A scientifically testable general principle or body of principles offered to explain observed phenomena. In scientific usage, a theory is distinct from a hypothesis (or conjecture) that is proposed to explain previously observed phenomena. For a hypothesis to rise to the level of theory, it must predict the existence of new phenomena that are subsequently observed. A theory can be overturned if new phenomena are observed that directly contradict the theory. (Source)

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Faith: the belief in something for which there is no material evidence or empirical proof; acceptance of ideals, beliefs, etc., which are not necessarily demonstrable through experimentation or observation. A strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.