Eternal Life (thanks, but no thanks)

1. For millions temporal life has been sad, oppressive, short, and miserable. Likely the most blessed, prosperous and content folks have been those in free nations, particularly nations Biblically inclined. Even so, there comes the dark days of old age, sickness and war, etc. In short, temporary life falls short of bliss.2. The only solution, if there is one, would be to search out truth and like a miner of diamonds, hope one finds the fortune.3. My strategy is to prospect/search out the options which look better than what this temporary life offers. What are the options out there which are claimed. If one finds one's self on a sinking ship, one must begin checking out the prospects of a life raft off the ship before the sinking. If the ship has rafts, one would check out the raft to see if it's seaworthy.4. Is there evidence that a better life is available, i.e. a life raft off the sinking ship? Judging from history, the social benefits offered in the Bible appear to have afforded the best temporal life available. This, coupled with the corroborative evidence, satisfies me and gives me the peace of mind that I've found something better than what this temporal earthly life offers.5. Having been convinced of this, the prospect of a blissful eternal life look like the best option and the one to stake my hopes upon. Thus, I, like millions of Christian martyrs have done over the centuries, would die before abandoning my choice if my government or anyone else demanded that I do so. This is why so many have chosen to have their temporal lives shortened rather than to deny the Christ of their salvation and the evidence based promise of a blissful eternal life.6. If it turned out that there is no punishment for rejecting and no eternal bliss for the receivers of the Biblical gospel, it is the
(Abe: genuinly devout) ones who believed and received, by and large, who will have had the best temporal life on earth, whether it be long or short. History attests to that. Edited by Buzsaw, : As notedEdited by Buzsaw, : Add apostrophy

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Because of the uncertainties of physical death and whether the soul dies. The evidence supportive to the Biblical record implicates what could be a foolish gamble on your part, relative to properties of the soul/spirit of mankind.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Perhaps you have spiritual glaucoma. The deceiving devil's rafts appear fine on the surface but are are full of termites and dry rot if you examine closely.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

What is your thinking about the Biblical record? Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead? If so, how he was changed at his resurrection, according to the Biblical record may help you understand what will happen to Christians at the resurrection. It all depends on how you regard that record.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

All that scripture says about Heaven makes earth life look shabby in comparison, and the Lake of Fire absolutely horrible beyond immagination.Jesus said, in John 14:2,3 (ASV) Revelation 21: 17-27 King Solomon was, in Biblical terms, a type/analogous of the christ/messian, Jesus in that he had 700 wives. This is typical in that the conglomerate of true believers are referred to as the bride of Jesus, the christ/messiah. When he returns to raise the dead, his angels will gather all of the saved, first the dead and then the alive ones up to be with him for what is referred to as the marriage supper of the lamb. After this event and the rewarding of the resurrected Christians in Heaven etc he will return to the earth to rule a millenniumThen after the 1000 year millennial period this earth is destroyed by fire and a new heaven and is replaced by a new earth, new heavens and a new Jerusalem described above.The saints/saved Christians will have rule with him in his kingdom. On one occasion he alluded to them ruling over cities of the kingdom. In this new world where this new glorious new Jerusalem is there will be kingdoms as is stated above. This is an eternal earth, city and kingdom where Christians will live and reign forever with Jesus.Revelation 22:1-5 There will be no sickness or death and the devil and his angels, along with the unbelievers will absent; tormented in the Lake of Fire forever as other scriptures state.One had better be absolutely sure that all of the prophecies cited, the Exodus evidence and other phemonena cited is all bogus before one should not fear the alternative to Heaven stated relative to unbelief and rejection of the gospel of Jesus.I'm feel very badly and sorrowful for my unbelieving friends here at EvC and elsewhere. Why? Because I am absolutely convinced that the Biblical record is reliable from Genesis to Revelation, including all of the above. Jehovah of the Bible is one to be feared. Thus Solomon said, "The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of wisdom." and Jesus said in Luke 12:4,5, "And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5But I will warn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, who after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.Modulous, I've stated the above and cited the scripture above to say that there is every reason to aspire to attain Heaven and no logical reason to subject one's self to the alternative who refuse it.The catch is that one must believe that Jesus did indeed die for our sins and one must receive him as savior and submit to him as lord/master in order to get into Heaven. This is accountability to a lord/master. One must repent and turn from Biblically defined sins and live within those guidelines which Jesus and his apostles advocated.If one detests NT guidelines, Jesus and Biblical Christians who live by NT fundamentals, i.e. Christian fundies and has no appreciation for the redemption Jesus afforded, likely one would not be comfortable with Jesus and folks who follow him in Heaven.One must become changed via the new spiritual birth while here on earth and become compatible with the environs of the people and the christ/messiah up in the cosmos wherever Heaven is. Edited by Buzsaw, : Spell fix

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Should one loath streets of gold, sunless and unceasing light energetic life needless of rest, never ending blissful life in a perfect environment with delicious life sustaining food without work, having authority over cities, no wars or bloodshed, mansions to dwell in and all of the ammenities not mentioned?I can understand not wanting eternal life in torment, but would you really loathe eternal life in peaceful and joyful bliss and plenty of good things to eat and do in a perfect world of kingdoms?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The same Biblical record which you espouse as reliable when it alleges a man was raised from the dead is the record that alleges what I've cited to be true.Aren't you being inconsistent in picking and choosing which miracles to espouse relating to the same man, Jesus?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

you don't necessarily get what you want. You get what is alloted to you in the chain of command.The variety of things to do are not given.Peace and perfection in a world of kingdoms has no connotation of boredom.To think of asking for eternal torment makes no sense whatsoever.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Granny, who would want rest in an existence where rest would be boring, undesirable and serve no purpose.Your response is one from the perspective of this temporal traumatic and world rife with strife, death, suffering and discontent.You're not making a lot of sense.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

How do you pick and choose the resurrection of Jesus from what it says about his lordship after the resurrection. Why, in your view, is the resurrection of Jesus fact and his alleged future life fiction?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

It is not pointless for those of us who acknowledge that God has a good purpose for all things he does. We leave that up to him, to whom we have total confidence in, given how he cares for us in this life. Our purpose for existence has a high value, i.e. the kingdom of Jehovah our god. Our purpose becomes his purpose after conversion and we can trust in him for he cares in wonderful ways for us when we submit to him and acknowledge him before men.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

When one becomes born of the Holy Spirit, i.e spiritually born at conversion one becomes a new creature, according to the apostles. We are instructed in the NT to grow in the word of scripture by study of scripture and assembling ourselves together, i.e. the church. As we do this we become what is described as "one mind," desiring what is best for our physical and spiritual well being. Christians who fail to follow through with these priciples often flounder and fall away.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The impetus of my point is that Jehovah is the designer, creator, planner and manager of the entire universe. The point, perse, is that all we need do is to get in sinct with whatever purpose the manager has for humans on this tiny speck in his universe.The maker has furnished a manual for us to follow and refer to for any given problem or question. Over the last 65 years of my life as a Christian, since age 10, the Biblical principles have served me and mine very well. Not only that, but I have no anxiety or concern about what Jehovah and the lord/master, Jesus has for me for eternity. What I see described by his prophet John looks very good to me, so the unknowns must be just fine.Even if I were mistaken and death is the end, I would not trade the NT principled life for any other life plan out there. I look at cultures and it appears that the NT pricipled ones are the ones which fair the best. Therefore there's no reason to doubt good for the afterlife.Those principles of Jesus and the apostles are as follows; Love for God and good to those around us, be they friend or foe, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, humility, and temperance; these as per the beatitudes of Jesus in Matthew and the fruit of God's spirit as per the apostle Paul in Gal 5:22 and 23.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

That brings us back to square one; evidence of Jehovah and credibility of the Biblical record. So long as you reject that, the Biblical model, and for that matter no model of eternal life will look attractive to you, the atheist or agnostic, whatever you are.You pre-determined the answer to your thread question. Your mind is set. No eternal existence model will ever disuade you from that mindset, no matter how attractively it is presented (abe: or how much evidence is cited). Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted in context

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

LoL, Phat. I wish it were that simple.What members like Modulous verbally call for is evidence. But when solid evidence is cited, they reject it, requiring higher standards than they require for things secular.Modulous, et al's problem is twofold:They don't want to be held accountable to a higher power and their minds have been mesmurized into secularism to the point that no amount of evidence to the contrary will alter that mindset.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.