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caldron68 Member (Idle past 3841 days) Posts: 79 From: USA Joined: |
ICANT writes:
But if his mission is other than deceiving all mankind into not accepting God's free full pardon, Why is God allowing so many to be deceived? Enlighten me Brother.
Good question! Why WOULD God allow this? Buzsaw made an excellent point. Do you believe in the story of Job? Has God given Satan PERMISSION to deceive his creation? If so, it is not Satan that is deceiving mankind, it is God. BTW! It's not what YOU personally have missed by believing in a fantasy, it's the carnage that you have left in your wake. --Caldron68
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi caldron68,
caldron68 writes: it's the carnage that you have left in your wake.
So enlighten me on the "Massive slaughter" I have left in my past. Be very specific. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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caldron68 Member (Idle past 3841 days) Posts: 79 From: USA Joined: |
ICANT writes:
So enlighten me on the "Massive slaughter" I have left in my past. Be very specific.
Ok, how many children have you introduced to the concept of hell, the lake of fire, eternal damnation, torment, torture, everlasting pain and suffering? --Caldron68
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
ICANT writes: If that is not what his job is, what is his job? Was Peter wrong when he said: 1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: You know what a strawman is, don't you, brother? My position was not denying the above, that Satan's work is deception. My position was that God didn't purposefully dispatch/commission him to deceive the world. He willfully choses to do evil.
But if his mission is other than deceiving all mankind into not accepting God's free full pardon, Why is God allowing so many to be deceived? Scripture says that God is not willing that any should perish. Why would God commission Satan to deceive them into perishing? One of the missions of Jesus, whom God sent, is to destroy all evil and put all powers "under his feet." I believe that's in Ist Corinthians 15, about verse 52 or so without looking it up. God does not tell us why Satan is not put away until he is cast into the lake of fire some day. His time is coming when good trumps. There is a raging war in the universe between Satan and his angels and God's kingdom. God has a reason for allowing this to happen. Perhaps it is to send a loud and clear warning to all of the host of the cosmos/heavens that they should not do as Satan and his rebel angels did; to rebel against God's kingdom. Don't forget that intelligent beings capable of knowing and interacting with God are a higher kind of creature than brute beasts. Imo, the intelligent beings have an eternal soul property inherent in their being that brute beasts do not have. Thus life after death and eternal torment for all rebellious intelligent soulish creatures such as men and angels etc.
ICANT writes: May God bless you too, my brother. God Bless, BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi caldron68,
caldron68 writes: Ok, how many children have you introduced to the concept of hell, the lake of fire, eternal damnation, torment, torture, everlasting pain and suffering? What does that have to do with Massive slaughter or corpses, especially those killed in battle.? But I do love to introduce them to my friend Jesus and tell them how much He loves them and wants them to love each other. But to answer your question I have introduced at least 2 that were born to my wife and myself to the love of Jesus and to the consequences of not being born again.God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I tell my people not to believe a word I say unless they can find it in their Bible.
How do you know that Satan didn't deceive the writers of the Bible, too. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Brother,
Buzsaw writes: You know what a strawman is, don't you, brother? Yep, was just on a fishing trip.
Buzsaw writes: I believe that's in Ist Corinthians 15, about verse 52 or so without looking it up. Actually it was Peter who said:
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. The next time you need to look up something try This In the search area you can type any phrase, if it is in the Bible it will give every instance of it. You can also change versions of the Bible.
Buzsaw writes: There is a raging war in the universe between Satan and his angels and God's kingdom. I am looking forward to the time when he will be chained in the bottomless pit for a thousand years and there is peace on earth. May God Bless You and Yours, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi cat,
bluescat48 writes: How do you know that Satan didn't deceive the writers of the Bible, too. The original was inspired by God. But the translations was done by man and could contain error. That is the reason God gave the Holy Spirit to each one of them to teach them all things.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4190 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
The original was inspired by God. But how do you know this? There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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caldron68 Member (Idle past 3841 days) Posts: 79 From: USA Joined: |
ICANT writes:
What does that have to do with Massive slaughter or corpses, especially those killed in battle.?
Ok, I agree, carnage was not the correct word to use in this case. Let's use damage instead. Happy?
ICANT writes:
But I do love to introduce them to my friend Jesus and tell them how much He loves them and wants them to love each other.
So are you saying that you only tell them half the story?
ICANT writes:
But to answer your question I have introduced at least 2 that were born to my wife and myself to the love of Jesus and to the consequences of not being born again.
No really, how many children have you introduced to the concept of hell? In a previous thread concerning the meaning of Matt 7:13-14, you mentioned that you have been a figure of authority in one or more churches for over 25 years. In that time, how many small children have you introduced to the consequences of sin? Telling a child that they're going to hell if they sin is child abuse. --Caldron68
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
caldron68 writes: Ok, I agree, carnage was not the correct word to use in this case. It was the precisely right word, your meaning was perfectly clear. Get used to ICANT's misinterpretations when he doesn't have an answer, which is often. Half the replies to ICANT begin with, "That's not what I meant" or "You missed the point." --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Buzsaw writes: There is a raging war in the universe between Satan and his angels and God's kingdom. This issue about whether Satan's actions are God's will sprang from my point that Christians believe in at least two gods, two supernatural beings, God and Satan. ICANT gets around this by explaining that Satan is just another angel, just another projection of God's will. In this view Satan is not another supernatural being, but just another manifestation of the one God. But if that's not the case, if as you say Satan is not carrying out God's will, if Satan is not just another manifestation of the one God, then Christians believe in two gods, one who they worship, another who they fear. --Percy
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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There may be 34,000+ religious systems in the world but only one system is correct. Just like the bomb you better make the right choice. I don't have an option I must be right. Exactly. Your confidence is borne of your ignorance and your need to be right. It is not borne of reason. Many think as you do on this issue. They also know that they are right regarding which path is the right one. But they have chosen a different path to you. They believe equally that you have been decieved as you do they.
The only thing that matters is what God says. It does matter what we believe. We must believe and accept what God says or else. Just like the bomb. Many others also believe themselves to accept what God says whilst believing something completely different to you. Who has been decieved here? Maybe they are more enlightened than you. Maybe you have been decieved and not they. Who really can tell? Thus your confidence in the path you have taken is borne of ignorance. Not reason. Have the last word on this if you wish. This is now getting relatively off topic.
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caldron68 Member (Idle past 3841 days) Posts: 79 From: USA Joined: |
Percy writes:
It was the precisely right word, your meaning was perfectly clear. Get used to ICANT's misinterpretations when he doesn't have an answer, which is often. Half the replies to ICANT begin with, "That's not what I meant" or "You missed the point."
Thank you Percy. I really appreciate you stepping in and helping out on this and other threads that I have been involved in. The meaning of the word in the post was clear but the use of that word within that specific context was incorrect. I knew better, but it was late and I was tired. Thanks--Caldron68
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Percy writes: This issue about whether Satan's actions are God's will sprang from my point that Christians believe in at least two gods, two supernatural beings, God and Satan. ICANT gets around this by explaining that Satan is just another angel, just another projection of God's will. In this view Satan is not another supernatural being, but just another manifestation of the one God. But if that's not the case, if as you say Satan is not carrying out God's will, if Satan is not just another manifestation of the one God, then Christians believe in two gods, one who they worship, another who they fear. 1. I don't know of any evangelicals who regard Satan as a god. We believe that there are other entities in the cosmos besides God and humans. Some are called angels. Angels have degrees of authority and power. Some are referred to in the scripture as archangels Most believe he was Lucifer, a high angel, but I'm not convinced of that, though it could be. 2 I'm not aware that Catholics and more liberal Protestants regard Satan as a god either. 3. Most believe that Satan was a highly favored and high ranking entity in God's kingdom who rebelled, taking with him a third of the angels of the cosmos/heavens. I believe this comes from Revelation 12 where the angels were depicted as stars. This is possible, imo, as I don't see the physical stars of cosmos as a possibility here. In summary, Percy, I think you're stretching it to claim that Christians regard Satan as a god. That just is not the case, though there may be a few who would agree with you. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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