Faith and belief - The Almighty God revealed through his grandness

And for your information no true missing link has been found so far from the time the first search for them kick-started. And any fossil presented as a missing link is surrounded by great speculation and contention. and if missing links did exist why did paleontologists often resort to forgeries. and as far as the evidence thing is concerned there is no propaganda you would like to think so because it would mean that evolution is just and interpretion amongst many, and not the so-called paramount theory to explain life. The universe and all its content is evidence to something that happened a long time ago, creatinonist explore the universe just like evolutionist do, we have the same evidence to work with, its the interpretaion that differ and actually matters.

That's what evolutionist do in reality, and for your information there is no known mechanism to transform one organism into another. and the proposed mechanisms just don't have room for evoltuionary change, the odds are against evolutionary change. Please stop trying to give mutations more credit than is due to them, and live with the fact that evolution atleast 'macro' is not possible.

O, with delight, lets start with the 1. Piltdown Hoax, not only was the Piltdown skull itself fraudulent but the entire mammalian fauna of the gravels had been planted and the human artefacts manufactured. The main suspect to date is, Charles Dawson. And yet it somehow fooled for 40 years the world's top experts. I wonder how this happened
2. Nebraska Man - On receiving a tooth [found in Nebraska] from a Mr. Harold Cook, H. F. Osborn (head of the American Museum of Natural History) declared it had characteristics which were a mixture of human, chimpanzee and pithecanthropus. He named it Hesperopithecus haroldcookii (Harold Cook's Evening Ape). It was discovered to be a fraud in 1953, it turned out to be the tooth of an exstinct pig.
3. A skull, found in Spain and promoted as the oldest example of [man] in Eurasia, was later identified as that of a young donkey [This was in 1984].
4. In 1983 an American anthropologist tried to pass off a dolphin's rib as the collarbone of a prehistoric man.
5. A report from the Los Angeles Times recently had the byline, "Once Hailed as a Missing Link, Forgery is Found to be Mosaic of Fossils from Microraptor and a Bird" (Los Angeles Times, December 2, 2002, p. A12).
here are some more highlights from the same report, "...the Chinese fossil had every appearance of a feathered dinosaur that flew like a modern bird. The purported missing link made headlines when National Geographic trumpeted the find in 1999, then caused red faces when it was revealed as a forgery a year later. Researchers in China and at the American Museum of Natural History in New York now have completely deciphered the deception.
The find wrongly hailed as a crucial link between the dinosaurs and the birds actually does contain fossils of a dinosaur and a bird. But the only connection between them is glue."

Isn't that what homolgy is all about? Maybe you would like to tell me how they compare the fossils."Yes there is (mechanisms for evolution). It's called mutation and natural selection." - HuntardO, man you folks are tireless, you pound the creationist saying that, Observability, testability, repeatability, and falsifiability are the hallmarks of the scientific method. Yet you yourselves don't abide to this trend when you carry out your research, you're a bunch of hypocrits, where in the world has mutations been seen to produce beneficial results, or evolutionary change and natural selection to give rise to new individuals. Your stuck in a wishful world.
lets take a look at the odds, the odds of getting two mutations that are related to one another is the product of the separate probabilities: one in 107 x 107, or 1014. That’s a long way from producing a truly new structure, and certainly a long way from changing an individual into some new kind of organism. You need more mutations for that. So, what are the odds of getting three mutations in a row? That’s one in a billion trillion (1021). Suddenly, the ocean isn’t big enough to hold enough bacteria to make it likely for you to find a bacterium with three simultaneous or sequential related mutations. Mutations are not a friend of evolution.

In the functions ascribed to the several persons of the Trinity in the redemptive process, and, more broadly, in the entire dealing of God with the world - the principle of subordination is clearly expressed. The Father is first, the Son is second, and the Spirit is third, in the operations of God as revealed to us in general, and very especially in those operations by which redemption is accomplished. Whatever the Father does he does through the Son (Rom 2:16; Rom 3:22; Rom 5:1, Rom 5:11, Rom 5:17, Rom 5:21; Eph 1:5; 1Th 5:9; Tit 3:5) by the Spirit. The Son is sent by the Father and does His Father's will (Joh 6:38); the Spirit is sent by the Son and does not speak from Himself, but only talks of Christ's and shows it unto His people (Joh 17:7), and Jesus says that 'one that is sent is not greater than he that sent him' (Joh 13:16). But yes God the father, son, and the holy spirit are one, Joh 17:11 "Holy Father, I am no longer in the world. I am coming to you, but my followers are still in the world. So keep them safe by the power of the name that you have given me. Then they will be one with each other, just as you and I are one."
They are three personalities in one, with surbodinate roles. think of them like 1*1*1=1, three in one not three god's but three personalities with varying roles, to make it easier to understand you could think of them in the terms of body, soul, and spirit. Jesus is like the body he is the image of God, Jesus said to his disciples, if you have seen me you have seen the father. The soul and the spirit will be the other two members of the godhead. Jesus could consult God the Father, because he is greater than him in role to a certain degree. But they share the same power, for example Jesus was also involved in the creation process.Joh 1:2-4, "In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God. From the very beginning the Word was with God. And with this Word, God created all things. Nothing was made without the Word. You see, Gen 1:1 tell us, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." but in John Jesus is said to have created everything in fact, nothing was made without the Word (Jesus). Jesus is God, so is the Holy Spirit.Mark 13:32 'Of that day and hour nobody knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father'
Remember when Jesus was living on the earth he was both man and God simultaneously, when he made the above statement, it was the man part of Jesus replying to his disciples, that is because he was a man and the bible states that no man knows the day and hour, Jesus obviously couldn't have known.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

Wrangle as you will until you go red in the face that evoltuion is grounded fact and is in the same boat with the law of gravity, but the current state of evolution shouldn't even qualify it as a theory, much less a law. Pleas Evolution has been drowned by the mounting evidence against it, and you can breathe into its mouth until you run out of breath and it still won't come alive ever. so now give up trying to revive it, just bury it already.

O don't be that naive this were examples that world experts in the field were too naive enough to fall for, they hailed it as evidence for evolution, especially the Piltdown man. for forty years this was used as evidence for the theory, 40 years. I don't think they were naive but rather they didn't do any proper examinations of these various finds because they had found what they were looking for.

My place is not to convince you but only to guide you as a fellow christian, god does the convincing. Believe what you will this is doctrine it is not realy that important to our salvation, as long as you acknowledge Jesus and his role in salvation than you are safe.

I'll admit that I haven't been that faithful to the actual topic of this thread. But how can anyone expect me to give any attention to the topic, if everyone around me is raising irrelavt points, I also end up being irrelevant myself in the process of answering their points. But I have shown God's terrible splendor, Job 13:11 "and his glorious splendor would make you terrified." I have shown his power, Psa 97:5 "Mountains melt away like wax in the presence of the LORD of all the earth." and his lofty ways, Isa 55:8-9 "The LORD says: "My thoughts and my ways are not like yours. Just as the heavens are higher than the earth, my thoughts and my ways are higher than yours." but more importantly I have shown his love for mankind Joh 3:16 "God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has faith in him will have eternal life and never really die." John 15:13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
One just has to look at the monstrous size of the universe, notice all its mysteries and wonders, and the beauty in its artistry to realize God's grandeur. When you do this you begin to comprehend just how big a sacrifice God perfomed for mankind when he died at their hands. For a god of such splendor, glory and supremacy, to lower himself to the level of mankind, from his high and lofty throne. John 15:13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." Edited by Cedre, : No reason given.

I would like to thank everyone who participated in this thread, you were all great. A special thanks to Peg for giving interesting stirs to the debates, a special thanks also to Huntard, MrJack, kuresu, cavediver, Paulk and others for making the conversations lively. Thank you all, for giving this thread a record 209 posts excluding this one. I trust that even though this thread did not fully live up to its potential, it was at least captivating and hopefuly changed a few minds. But now I have to conclude this discussion. Thankyou once more and cheers until we meet again in another thread.