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Author Topic:   Faith and belief - The Almighty God revealed through his grandness
bluescat48
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Message 18 of 224 (497484)
02-04-2009 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Cedre
02-04-2009 7:56 AM


The ultimate Paradox
More to the point every logical person has reasoned that the unviverse has to have had a begining this is where big bang cosmolgy hails from.
I disagree having a beginning is just as illogical as having no beginning. What happened 1 nanosecond before the big Bang or for that matter 1 million years before? If the Big Bang was not the beginning then what was if anything? Can time have a beginning if so the same question What happened 1 nanosecond before time? Total paradox: the beginning = no beginning. Time is eternal yet finite? Illogical if it is, illogical if it isn't.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 100 of 224 (497954)
02-06-2009 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Peg
02-06-2009 6:17 PM


All life on this planet come's from pre existing life.
So where did this pre-existing life pre-exist from? Some time, somewhere it either had be created or formed naturally so there had to be some kind of abiogenesis or are you saying that life has always existed?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 111 of 224 (497988)
02-06-2009 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Peg
02-06-2009 8:57 PM


scientific knowledge confirms that life does not arise from non living material
No it does not. What is known is that rotting meat doesn't turn into maggots nor does horsehair turn into worms. It does not state that life cannot come from non living matter.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 134 of 224 (498101)
02-08-2009 4:44 AM
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02-08-2009 4:31 AM


life exists therefore something must have created it
or life developed naturally.
Since there is very little evidence of either then we get no-where arguing the matter. The point is that searching for evidence is the proper method not simply accepting writings from the bronze age.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 147 of 224 (498116)
02-08-2009 6:01 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Peg
02-08-2009 5:39 AM


we have a nation of people who claim to have had direct dealings with God.
Now if you believe their word or not is not the issue...the fact is that a nation of people (jews) have a historical record of Gods intervention on their behalf
a record of Gods powerful Acts on their behalf
a record of Gods laws and prophecies
a record of Gods own Son coming to earth and dieing on a stake
the followers of Jesus have a visible history that is clearly seen in archeology, roman history, and right down to our day a continual line of evidence which leads people like myself to beleive that this God of the bible is real.
so i have faith based on what i believe to be evidence. I can see the walls of Jerusalem, the ancient christain church's and manuscripts, the prophecies fulfillments...all these things are tangible evidence.
i have evidence for which my faith is based on.
All hearsay nothing tangible. The prophesies? Most were years after the alleged incident. Do you know for a fact when Isaiah was written?
or Daniel?
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 168 of 224 (498186)
02-08-2009 11:17 PM
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02-08-2009 10:15 PM


Studies have shown that Isaiah was written in the 4th century BCE & Daniel in thew 2d or 3rd century BCE. It is also thought that the compilation of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers,Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, i & 2 Samuel and 1 & 2 Kings & 1 & 2 Chronicles were finally compiled during the Babylonian captivity, compiling the Jawist, Eloist & Priestly sources together & adding the deuteronomic books to complete the scripture as far a 1 & 2 Chronicles except the last verse of 2 Chronicles which is the same as the first verse of Ezra so as not to end the scripture on a down. The Jawist were written about 950 BCE, Eloist about 850BCE & the priestly after the fall of the Northern Kingdom. You make the same mistake many make in assuming the books were written by the central Character.
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 215 of 224 (498279)
02-09-2009 9:17 AM
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02-08-2009 11:52 PM


Try this: NOVA | Watch NOVA Programs Online | History | PBS
The Bible's Buried Secrets (Nov. 2008)
An archeological detective story traces the origins of the Hebrew Bible
The program is 100 minutes long and gives many explanations of the reasons behind the skepticism of when & who wrote the biblical passages.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Message 220 of 224 (498358)
02-09-2009 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Cedre
02-09-2009 5:32 AM


Re: Clarification
Pleas Evolution has been drowned by the mounting evidence against it, and you can breathe into its mouth until you run out of breath and it still won't come alive ever. so now give up trying to revive it, just bury it already.
Really? & just what is this evidence?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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