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Author Topic:   Gay bashing versus christian bashing
Fosdick 
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Message 46 of 60 (498132)
02-08-2009 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by onifre
02-08-2009 3:13 AM


Re: are you for real?
"offire" writes:
Hey asshole, ...
Hey schmuck face, before you "go fuck'n bananas on that shit" you might want to remember that mothers with suckling infants, teenagers with acne, Boy Scouts and Campfire Girls, and the elderly infirm get discriminated against, even abused and murdered sometimes. All CS and AE are trying to say is that marriage is a civil union between one man and one woman. What a fuck'n bananas concept that is! Ya gotta be either stupid or bigoted or both to miss seeing that reality.
The other day at an I-5 rest stop I saw a bunch of bigoted women trying to discriminate against a nice old man who just wanted to use the ladies room to do his business. He went through the wrong door, and no one even cared if he was gay. The women went hysterical, just like those here at EvC who act so self-righteously indignant about such a laughable non-issue as "gay marriage."

I can see Lower Slobovia from my house.

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Granny Magda
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Message 47 of 60 (498134)
02-08-2009 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by New Cat's Eye
02-07-2009 11:23 PM


Re: are you for real?
You've gotta be kidding!
quote:
Sure, but what we can see from the Japanese American internment is that you really don't have any rights that the government doesn't allow you to have.
What does that even mean? Human rights are inalienable, even where they are forcibly denied to people. Just because a government refuses to acknowledge a right, does not mean that it does not exist. That is the whole point of the concept of human rights.
What about blacks under slavery? By your logic, they had no right to their freedom, because their government did not recognise that right..
What about the Jews who were slaughtered in the Shoah? The unavoidable extension of your argument is that they had no right to life in the first place, because their government did not recognise that right.
I am well aware that you are hostile towards homosexuals, but are you really willing to throw the entire concept of intrinsic and inalienable human rights down the crapper just so gays can't marry? Get some perspective. Actually, just to tie back to the topic of this thread (remember that?), here is some perspective.
Gay Bashing
Christian Bashing
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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Granny Magda
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Message 48 of 60 (498137)
02-08-2009 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Fosdick
02-08-2009 11:21 AM


Re: are you for real?
Fosdick writes:
I’ll clear out of these boards with a fond farewell to those who have troubled themselves to engage me. I’ve listed my email address in my profile if anyone cares to discuss these matters further. Or I’ll see you on another forum somewhere in hyperspace.
So much for that.
Fosdick writes:
laughable non-issue as "gay marriage."
If it's such a non-issue, why your own obsessive interest in debating it? Well, I say debating...
Mutate and Survive

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade

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onifre
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Message 49 of 60 (498138)
02-08-2009 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Fosdick
02-08-2009 11:21 AM


Re: are you for real?
Hey schmuck face,
Hey, there he is, my Fosdick friend.
before you "go fuck'n bananas on that shit" you might want to remember that mothers with suckling infants, teenagers with acne, Boy Scouts and Campfire Girls, and the elderly infirm get discriminated against, even abused and murdered sometimes.
So do, dwarfs, the mentaly challenged, nerds and people in the band(aka nerds), whats your fuck'n point? As long as we can agree that gays also get discriminated against I have no beef.
All CS and AE are trying to say is that marriage is a civil union between one man and one woman.
No. What they are saying is according to the current law marriage is a civil union between a man and a woman, which I agree with. The law is the law. I did not argue against that. CS is absolutely right.
The other day at an I-5 rest stop I saw a bunch of bigoted women trying to discriminate against a nice old man who just wanted to use the ladies room to do his business. He went through the wrong door, and no one even cared if he was gay. The women went hysterical, just like those here at EvC who act so self-righteously indignant about such a laughable non-issue as "gay marriage."
Well if you would just stop giving out BJ's at rests stops then you would avoid seeing such discriminating acts. Presumably. But, I agree with you, gay marriage should be a non-issue, the only ones making a big deal are those opposed to it.
I asked you before, and you avoided answering me by giving me some bullshit reason, why the fuck does anyone even give a shit if gay people get married? Who cares? Why care? What does anyone stand to lose?
Lets make it a non-issue by not giving a shit who marries who.
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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Message 50 of 60 (498139)
02-08-2009 12:06 PM


Speaking of Gay marriage
That isn't the topic. This topic is about comparing Gay Bashing and Christian Bashing. It especially seems to concern certain Christians that call anything critical or mocking of them 'bashing' versus the physical violence of 'gay bashing'.
Historically, the Gay Marriage topic is one that will end with tears, tantrums and suspensions. There are plenty of other fora on the internet where you can discuss this particular topic. Please go to one of them. If you insist on continuing the topic, I don't want to hear you crying when you get suspended.
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Rrhain
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Message 51 of 60 (498168)
02-08-2009 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Artemis Entreri
02-07-2009 4:59 PM


Artemis Entreri trolls:
quote:
DOMA defines marriage and spouses as a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word spouse refers to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.
"Miscegenation defines marriage and spouses as a legal union between two people of the same race and the word spouse refers to a person of the same race who is a husband or a wife."
If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?
quote:
Homosexuals and Heterosexuals BOTH can marry as per the definition of marriage, and spouses.
"Blacks and whites BOTH can marry as per the definition of marriage, [sic] and spouses."
So why did the Supreme Court strike down miscegenation laws as unconstitutional and a violation of the fundamental right of marriage?
If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?
quote:
We are not talking about black people, this is about gay people not having basic rights, except they DO HAVE the same basic rights.
We are talking about the violation of rights. When we did to those who aren't white the exact same thing that we are doing to those who aren't straight, it was considered a violation of rights. So what's so special about sexual orientation that the exact same act suddenly isn't a violation of rights?
quote:
Every example there is on them, its their CHOICE.
Huh? It's their "choice" to be fired, evicted, have their children taken away, deported, refused treatment, even tortured? Strange...all of those things are actions done to them, not by them.
(Yes, it is legal in this country to torture gay people specifically and purposefully because they are gay.)
quote:
Per law they are equal. We have the same rights.
Except gay people are not allowed to get married, a violation of the fundamental right of marriage as declared by the Supreme Court (are you saying they were wrong?) Except gay people are not allowed to serve in the military. Except gay people can still be fired for being gay. Except gay people can still be evicted for being gay. Except gay people can be tortured specifically and purposefully for being gay.
If you really think you have the same rights, then I request that you come here and allow me to give you those "equal rights" you seem to think gay people have.
Now, we've been through this a bazillion times and we still have yet to get an answer from you so I ask that you answer the one question that continues through every single time you try to claim equality:
If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 52 of 60 (498172)
02-08-2009 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by New Cat's Eye
02-07-2009 5:42 PM


Catholic Scientist writes:
quote:
In the eyes of the law, marriage is just a legal contract that fails to incorporate love. People don't have the right to marry the one they love. Especially if the one they love doesn't want to marry them.
As if one could force a contract upon someone else.
At any rate, you have contradicted the various court decisions regarding marriage as to why it is a fundamental right. Are you saying the SCOTUS was wrong?
But since you want to get specific, fine: Marriage is a legal contract that legitimizes a sexual relationship. Since straight people are allowed to legitimize their sexual relationships through marriage while gay people are not allowed to do so, it is clear that gay people are discriminated against in this area.
If it was a crap argument to deny marriage between people of different races, then why is it suddenly legitimate to deny it between people of the same sex?
quote:
Its not that they're separate but equal, its that they're not separate. Its not about feeling icky, asshole.
And thus, you prove the point.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 53 of 60 (498173)
02-08-2009 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by New Cat's Eye
02-07-2009 5:49 PM


Catholic Scientist writes:
quote:
The RIA said that whites could not marry non-whites, not that interracial marriage was illegal.
As if the RIA were the only miscegenation law that ever existed.
At any rate, it completely misses the point: If whites cannot marry non-whites, then interracial marriage is illegal.
quote:
But before it was repealed, it was the law and would have been rightly claimed as such.
So all laws are legitimate? So if I manage to get a law passed by 50%+1 of the population that you are my personal slave and I have complete and total control over your life, including the ability to kill you at my whim, you won't complain? "The law is the law"?
Show of hands: Who here would vote to make CS my personal slave?
quote:
Currently, our law is that marriage has to be between opposite sexes but it doesn't prevent anyone from entering the contract (except kids).
So the repeal of all miscegenation laws across the country by the SCOTUS was a mistake? "The law is the law" and how dare the courts think that they are able to point out that the law must be in accordance with the Constitution, right?
So if I get you declared my personal slave, you won't go running to the courts claiming the Constitution negates slavery, right?
Who here is going to vote to make CS my personal slave?

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Message 54 of 60 (498176)
02-08-2009 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Fosdick
02-08-2009 11:21 AM


Fosdick writes:
quote:
you might want to remember that mothers with suckling infants, teenagers with acne, Boy Scouts and Campfire Girls, and the elderly infirm get discriminated against, even abused and murdered sometimes.
You need to review the opening post. The likelihood of a nursing mother, an acne-ridden teenager, a Scout, or the elderly being abused or killed specifically because of that trait is nowhere near what it is for those who are gay. Bias-crimes based upon sexual orientation are second only to race (and not by much).
When it stops being legal to torture gay people specifically and purposefully because they are gay, then you might have a point.
quote:
All CS and AE are trying to say is that marriage is a civil union between one man and one woman.
"All CS and AE are trying to say is that marriage is a civil union between people of same race."
If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?
quote:
The other day at an I-5 rest stop I saw a bunch of bigoted women trying to discriminate against a nice old man who just wanted to use the ladies room to do his business.
Right...because "choosing the wrong bathroom" is "discrimination" and is the same as being pistol-whipped to within an inch of your life and then lashed to a fence in the middle of Wyoming and left to die.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Fosdick 
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Message 55 of 60 (498285)
02-09-2009 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Rrhain
02-08-2009 8:31 PM


Kicking the crap out of a bad argument
"Rrhain" writes:
When it stops being legal to torture gay people specifically and purposefully because they are gay, then you might have a point.
This is pure hyperbola, with hysteria thrown in for special effects. (If I ever saw a gay person being legally tortured for being gay I would jump in and fight to defend that gay person, unless he deserved it, which is possible.)
If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?
Ah, Mr. Rocket Scientist, "crap" is a noun. Don't you want to use the adjective "crappy" to express your wingnut opinion?
Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
Rrhain, I'm sorry your paper was rejected from Science, but your signature is so old it smells a little, ah, crappy.

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 56 of 60 (498286)
02-09-2009 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Fosdick
02-09-2009 11:09 AM


Re: You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting
is is pure hyperbola, with hysteria thrown in for special effects. (If I ever saw a gay person being legally tortured for being gay I would jump in and fight to defend that gay person, unless he deserved it, which is possible.)
What is legal torture? So if it is legal why would you step in and help?
Showing your true colors, huh. I have a hard time imagining based on your previous rants that you would jump in and help.
Ah, Mr. Rocket Scientist, "crap" is a noun. Don't you want to use the adjective "crappy" to express your wingnut opinion?
Rrhain, I'm sorry your paper was rejected from Science, but your signature is so old it smells a little, ah, crappy.
LOL, you haven't changed a bit. What are you, 12? Sometimes Fosdick, I think you truly are a child.
You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
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bluescat48
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Message 57 of 60 (498287)
02-09-2009 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Fosdick
02-09-2009 11:09 AM


Re: Kicking the crap out of a bad argument
If I ever saw a gay person being legally tortured
What the F#$k is legal torture? All torture is inhuman.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Fosdick 
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Message 58 of 60 (498288)
02-09-2009 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by DevilsAdvocate
02-09-2009 11:22 AM


Re: You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting
"DA" writes:
What is legal torture? So if it is legal why would you step in and help?
"Legal torture" is Rrhain's term, not mine.
I have a hard time imagining based on your previous rants that you would jump in and help.
That's because your imagination is limited by your biased opinion. I hate gay bashing, and I support same-sex civil unions. It's only the "gay marriage" oxymoron that I oppose, just as I oppose legalizing polygamy, incest, and bestiality.
LOL, you haven't changed a bit. What are you, 12? Sometimes Fosdick, I think you truly are a child.
At my age I could be having a childish relapse; it happens sometimes to when you're forced to eat sandbox cookies.

I can see Lower Slobovia from my house.

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 59 of 60 (498290)
02-09-2009 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Fosdick
02-09-2009 11:41 AM


Re: You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting
Why is homosexual marriage any different then heterosexual marriage, besides one currently being legalized and one not (at least not federally). I guess I am not up to snuff on this?
And how is homosexuality any more related to polygamy, incest and beastiality than heterosexuality?

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 60 of 60 (498293)
02-09-2009 11:52 AM


Thread now closed
The EvC membership is still incapable of discussing Gay Marriage without threatening to descend into madness. DevilsAdvocate and Fosdick suspended for their part in it.
Edited by AdminModulous, : No reason given.

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