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John 10:10
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Message 91 of 319 (498620)
02-12-2009 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Nighttrain
02-05-2009 8:39 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Them`s the breaks, sonny boy.

I thought the KJV was compiled by a committee from dodgy manuscripts. And revised ten times. Can`t see the connection from there to Jesus.

Then here are a few more breaks you will have to handle. Consider these words from Jesus in John 3,

17.For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18.Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

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Message 92 of 319 (498693)
02-12-2009 8:18 PM
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02-12-2009 8:22 AM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Then here are a few more breaks you will have to handle. Consider these words from Jesus in John 3,


Since you are quoting from present-day Bibles, show me the provenance back to the autographs. IOW, how do you know 'these words from Jesus' are genuine?
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John 10:10
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Message 93 of 319 (499312)
02-18-2009 9:22 AM
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02-12-2009 8:18 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Since you are quoting from present-day Bibles, show me the provenance back to the autographs. IOW, how do you know 'these words from Jesus' are genuine?

Those that enter into "eternal life relationship" (John 3:16-17) with the Lord Jesus Christ know His words are true.

If you do not repent (John 3:18), those such as yourself will find out they are true at the "white throne judgment" (Rev 20:11-15).

It's as simple and as difficult as that.


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Message 94 of 319 (499335)
02-18-2009 11:31 AM
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02-18-2009 9:22 AM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Just saying something doesn't automatically make it true.

Can you provide an original source or not? Why is any translation you decide to follow, the correct translation?

Please show the provenance.


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John 10:10
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Message 95 of 319 (499355)
02-18-2009 12:14 PM
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02-18-2009 11:31 AM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Just saying something doesn't automatically make it true.

Can you provide an original source or not? Why is any translation you decide to follow, the correct translation?

Many many Bible translations that we have today are very accurate when compared to the original Greek & Hebrew copies that are in existance that go back to the time of Christ. In all matters dealing with God's salvation in Christ Jesus, the Bible translations we have today are true to the original Greek & Hebrew Bibles they were translated from. When God reveals and manifests Himself according to His plan of salvation in Christ Jesus, then one can believe and know that it is true.


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Message 96 of 319 (499358)
02-18-2009 12:33 PM
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02-18-2009 12:14 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
So I take this mean to mean you are not going to provide any evidence to back you statements other than "I believe it is true, therefore it is true. I do not have to provide any evidence"

Well I guess you can never lose an argument. Tell me how is delusion working for you?


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John 10:10
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Message 97 of 319 (499382)
02-18-2009 1:31 PM
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02-18-2009 12:33 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
So I take this mean to mean you are not going to provide any evidence to back you statements other than "I believe it is true, therefore it is true. I do not have to provide any evidence"

Well I guess you can never lose an argument. Tell me how is delusion working for you?

The evidence is that what Jesus said will happen to those who honor Him as Lord actually happens. I can't provide this evidence to you. Only Jesus can provide this evidence to you if you are willing to honestly seek Him and let Him find you.

The things Jesus said will happen to those who honor Him as Lord is working very well for me. The delusion is all yours.


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Message 98 of 319 (499792)
02-20-2009 12:32 PM
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02-18-2009 1:31 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
The evidence is that what Jesus said will happen to those who honor Him as Lord actually happens. I can't provide this evidence to you.

If you can't provide evidence then that statment is just a baseless assertion and it's unverifiable.

Only Jesus can provide this evidence to you if you are willing to honestly seek Him and let Him find you.

We are ALL willing, there is just nothing there. That your brain managed to convince you says nothing about the veracity of the Jesus story, don't you get that?

Furthermore, the same can be said to you about Allah, John.


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John 10:10
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Message 99 of 319 (499981)
02-21-2009 6:21 PM
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02-20-2009 12:32 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
We are ALL willing, there is just nothing there.

Wrong again!!! ALL are not willing to seek the God of the Bible. The ones who are willing must do so the way the God of Bible prescribes in John 6.

26 Jesus answered them and said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.
27 "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal."
28 Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"
29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

Are you willing to seek Him upon whom God has set His seal?

PS - Allah of the Quran is not Yahweh of the Bible, but you don't understand the difference.

Edited by John 10:10, : No reason given.


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Message 100 of 319 (500055)
02-22-2009 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by John 10:10
02-21-2009 6:21 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Wrong again!!! ALL are not willing to seek the God of the Bible. The ones who are willing must do so the way the God of Bible prescribes in John 6.

26 Jesus answered them and said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled.
27 "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal."
28 Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"
29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

Are you willing to seek Him upon whom God has set His seal?

Again, we are willing to seek him there's just nothing there...

I have seeked him personally, there's just nothing there.

The above quote was what John said Jesus said to a group of people. If that is where im suppose to find him, there's nothing there.

If those words in that passage are the way to find him, there's nothing there.

If your brain convinced you that there is something there that still doesn't confirm anything about the veracity of the bible.

PS - Allah of the Quran is not Yahweh of the Bible, but you don't understand the difference.

PS - oranges aren't apples but they are both fruits.

You don't get to tell Muslims who is God and who is not God.


"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky


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John 10:10
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Message 101 of 319 (500287)
02-24-2009 12:34 PM
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02-22-2009 1:17 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Yes, Jesus was speaking in John 6:26-29 to group of people who were asking Him what they must do "so that we may work the works of God?"

Jesus replied, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

If you have genuinely done this, and you are still unable to believe in Jesus whom God sent, then the only remaining thing I would suggest is for you to pray this simple prayer: "Lord, help my unbelief."

Blessings


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onifre
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Message 102 of 319 (500289)
02-24-2009 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by John 10:10
02-24-2009 12:34 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
"Lord, help my unbelief."

You are showing a clear sign of condescension.

I don't believe in "the Lord" for me to pray to him.

My position on this is valid, I have not seen anything where as you have. I accept that you have, you must accept that I have NOT. Then we can view the objective evidence together and see if there is a rightfull cause for belief.

If your only point is "I'm right and your worng" then we have nothing to talk about.

Edited by onifre, : No reason given.


"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky


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Message 103 of 319 (500293)
02-24-2009 12:50 PM
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02-24-2009 12:34 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
If you have genuinely done this, and you are still unable to believe in Jesus whom God sent, then the only remaining thing I would suggest is for you to pray this simple prayer: "Lord, help my unbelief."

I just did this.

But I still don't believe.

What am I doing wrong?


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Message 104 of 319 (500343)
02-24-2009 8:25 PM
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02-24-2009 12:34 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Lord, help my unbelief.

My unbelief is doing fine, and doesn't need any help from Jack Lord, Tracey lord, or from you, 10:10. But thanks for the offer.


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Message 105 of 319 (500359)
02-25-2009 2:09 AM
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02-24-2009 8:25 PM


Re: added "as recorded in the Bible"
Tracey lord,

Are you sure you don't want any help from Tracey Lords?

She'll make say "Oh my God!"...for sure!

Edited by onifre, : No reason given.


"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks

"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky


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