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Author Topic:   How will creationists react to the first human-chimp hybrid?
RAZD
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Message 109 of 138 (498704)
02-12-2009 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Nighttrain
02-12-2009 9:39 PM


Re: Human/chimp
there's a country song making the rounds, with something like
"went home with a 10 at 2 and woke up with a 2 at 10"
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Message 114 of 138 (499824)
02-20-2009 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by bluegenes
02-20-2009 8:13 PM


Re: Human Brain and Evolution
Dolphins have larger brains than we do, and they don't fight silly wars, so can we really be objectively sure that we're the most intelligent of the two?
And they carved "Goodbye and thank you for all the fish" on a glass just before the earth was destroyed to make way for a hyperspace station.
Another species that quite likely had as much intelligence as well as a larger brain were the Neanderthals. The evidence is that they were capable of speech and buried their dead with ceremonies.
They were driven to extinction, by all indications, by Cro-Magnon Homo sap because they were competition.
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Message 115 of 138 (499825)
02-20-2009 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by jigsaw207
02-20-2009 7:24 PM


Re: Human Brain and Evolution
Welcome to the fray jigsaw207,
I would be grateful if you give me the scientific answer for this question.
What we see in other organisms is not a different type of intelligence\sophistication, but different degrees of intelligence such that the most intelligent of several other life forms overlaps the range of intelligence\sophistication in humans.
Do a google on communication with animals and see how many articles there are.
Look at Dolphin Silver Ring Art
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Message 117 of 138 (499947)
02-21-2009 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by jigsaw207
02-21-2009 2:27 PM


Thanks jigsaw207,
... on the other hand when I read something written by creationists or watch a documentary about the evidence of young universe and young earth I find it convincing also, they have scientific facts support their claim, so every time I try to investigate I get lost.
And the preacher, the politician and the used car salesman all sound convincing at one time or another. The problem is that when you personally know little about the subject, many arguments can seem reasonable. Advertising people make their livelihood by making their product seem reasonable.
The evidence against a young earth is fairly simple to understand, and I'd be happy to walk you through it on the Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III) thread. We like to keep posts in a thread on the topic of the first post in that thread, and thus it would be off-topic to discuss it here.
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Message 124 of 138 (500519)
02-26-2009 10:01 PM
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02-24-2009 2:55 AM


Hi jigsaw207
... some creationists claim that Neanderthals are humans with deformed skeleton or the adaptation makes them look like as they are.
My question is: do you think the fact that we share more than 99% of our genes with Neanderthals supports creationists claim ?
If we balance the evidence of 99% similarity against the mtDNA evidence that neanders and cro-magnons did not inter-breed in spite of mucho opportunity to do so, means that Homo neanderthalis and Homo sapiens are indeed different species, and thus the "deformity or adaptation" is the evidence of speciation.
We can then also compare the relative similarity of neanders with chimps and with sapiens, and conclude that as the difference is similar, that chimps are also evidence of speciation in a slightly more distant past: the differences plot as a triangle rather than a line, as there are differences between neander and chimp where each shares different traits with homo and similarities they share that sapiens does not - showing that both neander and sapiens diverged in different ways from a common ancestor that was more similar to chimps.
There is an old thread that compares the mtDNA of these three lineages.
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