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Coragyps
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Message 76 of 473 (499574)
02-19-2009 8:53 AM
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02-19-2009 6:19 AM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
the word circle has been translated from a hebrew word that can also mean sphere...this is significant.
That would be significant if it were than an assertion. You have no more idea than I do whether "chwg" could mean "sphere" in 400 BC. You only have Strong's word for it - and he knew the Earth is a ball!

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Chiroptera
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Message 77 of 473 (499621)
02-19-2009 12:58 PM
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02-19-2009 6:32 AM


Re: Definition: Corner
...and its all just words on a page
Much like the Bible, actually.
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Take it from GM that the bible teach's a flat earth and be done with it. Anyone who doesnt agree is wrong anyway.
No, that isn't the attitude that GM is showing. It might seem that way to someone who is convinced that they know the truth and/or is carrying a chip on their shoulder. GM is merely pointing out that a flat earth is a much more natural reading of the texts and is consistent with what we know about cosmological beliefs at that time and place.
Reading into the texts notions of a spherical earth is somewhat strained and only makes sense if someone is already convinced that the Bible must be some sort of infallible source of knowledge.

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kuresu
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Message 78 of 473 (499631)
02-19-2009 1:45 PM
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02-19-2009 6:19 AM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
Just becuase the english translator chose to use the word 'circle' does not mean the writer intended for us think he mean 'flat'
Have you ever seen a circle that's not flat?
A circle, in case there is any confusion, is:
quote:
a simple shape of Euclidean geometry consisting of those points in a plane which are the same distance from a given point called the center.
Circle - Wikipedia
Or are you suggesting that people 3000 years ago didn't fully understand the difference between a circle and a sphere?
ABE: I realize Euclid's Elements was written ~300 BCE and the biblical texts are older, but Euclid was really the first to systematically compile these geographic axioms. In other words, the knowledge of what a circle and sphere is is certainly older, and the concept of spherical earth dates back to ~600 BCE, though it wasn't until Aristotle that we really get any strong proof for the concept. If you know what a sphere is in 600BCE, you certainly know what a circle is, so I don't really see how you can excuse the language to any great deal if these people were familiar with greek ideas. A circle is a circle is a circle . . .and not a sphere.
Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.

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shalamabobbi
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Message 79 of 473 (499633)
02-19-2009 1:58 PM
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02-19-2009 6:19 AM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
the word circle has been translated from a hebrew word that can also mean sphere...this is significant.
The Hebrew word for circle is chuwg and has a primary meaning of circle (no lexicons I have read give the primary or secondary meaning as sphere).
When you trace back the lexicology of the word chuwg, you see that it is derived from a larger Hebrew word which means ‘a circle as drawn from a compass’.
ref:
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Kapyong
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Message 80 of 473 (499659)
02-19-2009 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Peg
02-19-2009 6:19 AM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
Gday,
Peg writes:
the word circle has been translated from a hebrew word that can also mean sphere...this is significant. Just becuase the english translator chose to use the word 'circle' does not mean the writer intended for us think he mean 'flat'
Incorrect.
Peg - you keep ignoring the key fact which proves you wrong :
Hebrew DOES have a word for SPHERE - it is used for the phrase "toss like a BALL". That is a sphere, not a flat round disk.
Hebrew also has a word for a flat round disk.
The bible DOES use the word for SPHERE when describing a ball.
But when describing the earth, it uses the word for a flat round disk.
The bible COULD have used the word for SPHERE for the earth, but it did not. This is clear and present evidence the writers thought the earth was flat.
Will you ever address this point, Peg?
Kapyong

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Peg
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Message 81 of 473 (499661)
02-19-2009 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Coragyps
02-19-2009 8:53 AM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
Coragyps writes:
That would be significant if it were than an assertion. You have no more idea than I do whether "chwg" could mean "sphere" in 400 BC. You only have Strong's word for it - and he knew the Earth is a ball!
a spherical object appears as a circle from every angle...there is nothing incorrect about calling it a circle.
besides, it was the english translator who used the word circle...the hebrew writer used the word chugh and that word can mean both
circle does not mean flat

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Peg
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Message 82 of 473 (499662)
02-19-2009 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by kuresu
02-19-2009 1:45 PM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
Kuresu writes:
A circle, in case there is any confusion, is:
quote:a simple shape of Euclidean geometry consisting of those points in a plane which are the same distance from a given point called the center.
you mean like this one
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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kuresu
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Message 83 of 473 (499666)
02-19-2009 5:46 PM
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02-19-2009 5:34 PM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
that's not a circle though, is it? It may look like one, but it certainly is no circle.
Remember, a circle is a series of points on the same plane that are equidistant from the center point. Being on the same plane means that the only dimensions are length/width, width/height, or height/length (this necessarily means that circles are flat). The earth, of course, exists in length/width/height.
A circle != a sphere. A sphere can be said to be made up of many circles who share the same center point, but with each circle inhabiting a different plane. Adding them all up gives you a sphere. A circle != a sphere.
So let me ask you again: have you ever seen a circle that is not flat? Or are you just trying to make the jews look really stupid by claiming that they don't know the difference between a circle and a sphere?
Edited by kuresu, : clarification

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Peg
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Message 84 of 473 (499669)
02-19-2009 5:49 PM
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02-19-2009 1:58 PM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
shalamabobbi writes:
The Hebrew word for circle is chuwg and has a primary meaning of circle (no lexicons I have read give the primary or secondary meaning as sphere).
When you trace back the lexicology of the word chuwg, you see that it is derived from a larger Hebrew word which means ‘a circle as drawn from a compass’.
Davidson’s Analytical Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon says that 'sphere' can be applied to the word chugh

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Peg
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Message 85 of 473 (499672)
02-19-2009 5:52 PM
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02-19-2009 4:54 PM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
Kapyong writes:
The bible DOES use the word for SPHERE when describing a ball.
Will you ever address this point, Peg?
yes i will
what is the hebrew word for ball and where in the scriptures is it used?
cheers

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DrJones*
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Message 86 of 473 (499675)
02-19-2009 6:06 PM
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02-19-2009 5:31 PM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
circle does not mean flat
Sure it does. A circle is a 2D object, it is flat.

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Peg
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Message 87 of 473 (499676)
02-19-2009 6:09 PM
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02-19-2009 5:46 PM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
kuresu writes:
So let me ask you again: have you ever seen a circle that is not flat? Or are you just trying to make the jews look really stupid by claiming that they don't know the difference between a circle and a sphere?
i think its the flat earth society who are making the jews look stupid by claiming that they believed the earth was flat by the interpretations they put to a handful of verses

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shalamabobbi
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Message 88 of 473 (499677)
02-19-2009 6:16 PM
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02-19-2009 6:09 PM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
not to be picking on you Peg but buz seems to be napping..
Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies.
So it is the sun that moves and not the earth, which is flat, and if you believe otherwise well, you are not a true believer..

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Chiroptera
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Message 89 of 473 (499678)
02-19-2009 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Peg
02-19-2009 5:34 PM


Re: The Literal Interpretation is a Flat Earth
you mean like this one
Yeah. Like that one. God showed Isaiah a photograph of the earth from space, and he mistook it for a picture of a disk. That is why Isaiah thought that the earth is flat.
Or, more likely, Isaiah though the earth is flat because when you look at the horizon in a mountainless area it looks flat.

An atheist doesn't have to be someone who thinks he has a proof that there can't be a god. He only has to be someone who believes that the evidence on the God question is at a similar level to the evidence on the werewolf question. -- John McCarthy

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xongsmith
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Message 90 of 473 (499680)
02-19-2009 6:27 PM
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02-19-2009 6:09 PM


face it, at the time...
what did they have? tribal leaders who knew maybe a certain person was very good seeing things far. they get him or her up on the highest mountain top and ask him/her what s/he can see of the world. s/he says it stretches out as far as s/he can see, to the seas around. they ask him/her to turn and look in another direction and report. s/he says it stretches out as far as s/he can see, to the seas around. they ask him/her to turn again and get the same...they conclude that the earth is flat and circular, BASED ON THEIR OBSERVATIONS with the Best Scientific Tool they had at the time (a sharp-eyed dude or dudette). they record this in the Big Book for future generations. no astonishing event has occurred here. infact, one could say, at the time, it was a scientific and repeatable observation!
no issue here.
- xongsmith
p.s. - has anyone else seen a line of clouds revealing the curvature of the earth? my son and i did once. when i got home, i fired up the computer and got the weather radar up - a huge, amazingly straight line of clouds from DC to Maine had just crossed over our location. when it wasnt exactly above us, it was curved. i did some geometrical diagraming and confirmed that you would see the curvature.

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