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PaulK
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Message 12 of 316 (499865)
02-21-2009 5:29 AM
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02-21-2009 5:11 AM


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Rrhain writes:
It would be quite the feat for 135 years to pass between the birth of Abraham and the establishment of the covenant and yet Abraham be only 75 at the time.
Why?
Wow! That has to be one of the most amazingly obtuse questions ever asked on this forum.
Do the math. How old would Abram be 135 years after his birth ?

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Message 14 of 316 (499869)
02-21-2009 5:49 AM
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02-21-2009 5:42 AM


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lets do the math
OK. The question was how old was Abram 135 years after he was born.
0 + 135 = 135. Want to tell me how you got 75 out of that ?
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Terah from the age of 70yrs begins to have kids
It doesn't say begins, and the first named (and therefore presumably the oldest) is Abram. Looks as if Abram is born by the time Terah is 70.
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Terah at age 205yrs dies
Yes.
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When Terah died at 205, Abraham was only 75
The Bible doesn't say that. Where does it come from ?
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so Abraham was born when Tehra was 130 yrs old, not 70.
Oh, since the infallible Peg says so I guess the Bible got it wrong.

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PaulK
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Message 19 of 316 (499879)
02-21-2009 7:11 AM
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02-21-2009 6:21 AM


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Gen 12:4
Genesis 12:4 only says that Abraham as 75 years old when he left Haran. It does not mention Terah's age or say that Terah was dead.
So where does it say that Terah was dead when Abram left Haran ?
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Abraham is probably mentioned first because he's the most famous and the forefather of the Moses people. Its most likley that Haran was the firstborn because his daughter was old enough to marry Terah’s other son Nahor. Ge 11:29
Perhaps you would like to produce some actual evidence. For instance are there any genealogies that order the names as you suggest ? Or is it just another of your endless invented excuses.
It looks to me as if Milcah's father is a different Haran because Genesis 11:29 specifically describes that Haran as the father of Milcah and Iscah while Abram's brother is described as the father of Lot. Also it seems a little unlikely that Nahor would marry his niece.

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Message 23 of 316 (500024)
02-22-2009 3:38 AM
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02-21-2009 7:28 AM


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Why can't Haran, brother to Abraham and Nahor, be the father of both Iscah and Lot as well as Milcah?
Turn it around, why should it be the same Haran ? As you admit the name is not unique. And there's no other link. Milcah's father is specifically identified as the father of Milcah and Iscah, quite possibly to indicate that it is a different person. If he was the same Haran why not mention Lot with Milcah and Iscah ?

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