Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,784 Year: 4,041/9,624 Month: 912/974 Week: 239/286 Day: 0/46 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   polonium halos
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4742 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 230 of 265 (499830)
02-20-2009 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Phydeaux
02-19-2009 11:53 AM


Not Done Lurking
This topic has been of interest to me for some time. It's the only question ever put to me by a creationist that wasn't obviously flawed. I'm still not sure I'm fully up to speed so I don't want to let it go. This is a bump.
Well, first of all you didn't line up the circles correctly:
You'll find that image 222rnhalo1v2ym1.jpg the right hand image with the misaligned circles is originally from Message 205, where RAZD said this about it:
I've also redone the image to move the 23.5 circle to the outer limits of the discoloration there in order to make the inner circles smaller:And I still get 20.24 for the 222Rn band, within the margin of error for 222Rn and still too big for 210Po; and I still get 19.07 for the 210Po band, within the margin of error for 210Po; but the outer ring is 34.08 -- small for this band, when the first version above is a better fit to the published data. Thus the first picture is a better overall fit to the outer rings.
Clearly it was originally a test piece rejected for the better fit of this image:
which RAZD used in all instances following with the exception of Message 215 where he picked the argument back up after a longish pause. I'll bet you he used the wrong image and your argument's for nought.
Razd's method for finding the ring sizes is much more accurate the yours. It's much easier to find the peak of a Gaussian distribution then the edge. Especially since there ain't one.

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 227 by Phydeaux, posted 02-19-2009 11:53 AM Phydeaux has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 231 by RAZD, posted 02-20-2009 11:49 PM lyx2no has not replied
 Message 232 by Phydeaux, posted 02-21-2009 1:19 AM lyx2no has not replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4742 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 240 of 265 (499909)
02-21-2009 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by Phydeaux
02-21-2009 9:48 AM


The Lord Equal Darkness
Coloration is uniform over a wide area.
coloration is not uniform; your discrimination is.
Someone somewhere in a speciation topic has a nice gradient diagram running from red to yellow. The question being where does red end and yellow begin. Imagine curling the image into a ring. The eye almost automatically finds the center of either the red or the yellow areas by equalizing the orange to either side. Conversely, the eye seems to fight against one if one tries to locate the center of either orange band. And no two people will be able to agree on this as different people have different sensitivities to these colors. Everyone, however, has exactly the same sensitivity to these colors as themselves, so everyone balances the orange bands of opposite side equally, therefore picking the same middles for the red and yellow bands.
(At least a part that statement has the potential of not being redundant.)
AbE: I forgot what my after thought was.
Edited by lyx2no, : To make myself look daft.

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 238 by Phydeaux, posted 02-21-2009 9:48 AM Phydeaux has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 241 by Phydeaux, posted 02-21-2009 10:48 AM lyx2no has not replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4742 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 244 of 265 (499943)
02-21-2009 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by Phydeaux
02-21-2009 10:48 AM


The Lord of Equal Darkness
I see the area of uncertainty being wider as to the center of the band than the outer band. Why you guys can't see that; I don't know
When one is guessing the edge of the color band, what one is actually doing is making a determination of ones ability to detect the color as having ended. Disregarding a propensity to second guess oneself "I think I see a tinge of red, but maybe I'm imagining it." it's still limited by ones color resolution.
Going back to our colored ring: Say the ring has a comfortable circumference of 30 cm. Using a 1 cm wide window slide it along the band. At every point on the band the window will show more red at one extreme and more yellow at the other with two exceptions: when the window is centered over the Max Red or over the Max Yellow; there, both extremes will be equally orange. The 1 cm width for the window can be reduced to three times the width of ones color resolution with the same effect, reducing the problem to ones ability to resolve the center of ones window even beyond ones color resolution. (Reducing the width of the window to dw looks like there might be a calculus problem in there somewhere.)
AbE: Speaking of resolution: this technicality needs to be resolved soon so the topic can resume pretty please.
Edited by lyx2no, : Allowing me a return to lurkerhood.

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 241 by Phydeaux, posted 02-21-2009 10:48 AM Phydeaux has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 246 by Phydeaux, posted 02-21-2009 4:43 PM lyx2no has not replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4742 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 247 of 265 (499975)
02-21-2009 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Phydeaux
02-21-2009 4:43 PM


That's Different Then
I took you to mean:
Well, first of all you didn't line up the circles correctly Line up the circles incorrectly, and you get the wrong calibration.
Which isn't contradicted by:
I see the area of uncertainty being wider as to the center of the band than the outer band. Why you guys can't see that; I don't know
But if what you meant was:
What I am saying is that the determination doesn't really make that much of a difference compared to the thickness of the "maximum."
then I stand corrected. Thanks for disillusioning me.
Now I'm just confused.
Ab2E: Hi cavediver. You've never seen a bell curve? I'd have thought you would have with all that math stuff you do.
Edited by lyx2no, : Formating
Edited by lyx2no, : No reason given.

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 246 by Phydeaux, posted 02-21-2009 4:43 PM Phydeaux has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 250 by cavediver, posted 02-21-2009 6:26 PM lyx2no has replied
 Message 253 by Phydeaux, posted 02-21-2009 11:12 PM lyx2no has not replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4742 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 251 of 265 (499985)
02-21-2009 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by cavediver
02-21-2009 6:26 PM


Re: That's Different Then
Your predecessor would never have doubted be so... I'm hurt, lyx2no, hurt I tell you
I've a cruel-streak all my own. Ha-ha-ha (Does the look like an evil laugh to you? It doesn't look evil to me. Distinctly not evil.)

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 250 by cavediver, posted 02-21-2009 6:26 PM cavediver has not replied

  
lyx2no
Member (Idle past 4742 days)
Posts: 1277
From: A vast, undifferentiated plane.
Joined: 02-28-2008


Message 259 of 265 (500075)
02-22-2009 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by Phydeaux
02-22-2009 5:14 PM


Re: That's Different Then
I don't.
Would you mind telling us what you do think?

Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 258 by Phydeaux, posted 02-22-2009 5:14 PM Phydeaux has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 260 by Phydeaux, posted 02-22-2009 5:39 PM lyx2no has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024