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Coragyps Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
But if Isaiah had said it was round like a ball he would have been wrong as the earth is not a sphere. Nonsense. I'd be surprised if a discount-store basketball is even close to being as spherical as the Earth is - the polar diameter is 99.66% of the equatorial diameter for the planet. It's way too close to spherical for eyeball inspection to tell a difference. But Earth doesn't look much like a frisbee.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Coragyps,
Coragyps writes: It is left as an exercise for the reader to decide whether these two quotes are harmonious. You left out the part where the one sitting on the circle of the earth stretched out the heavens. He could not be in this universe and stretch out the heavens. The first heaven being our Milky Way and the second heaven being the billions of galaxies. He could spread them from within but He would have to be outside to stretch them out. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi,
Coragyps writes: the polar diameter is 99.66% of the equatorial diameter for the planet. But they are not the same therefore it is not a sphere. If I remember what I read it is supposed to become a sphere around 6013. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 760 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
But they are not the same therefore it is not a sphere. Agreed. But more nearly a ball than a frisbee, right?
If I remember what I read it is supposed to become a sphere around 6013. You 1) misremembered or 2) read some poor science fiction.
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3468 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday
Here we go again.
thingamabob writes: as the earth is not a sphere. Nonsense.It IS a sphere (as distinct from FLAT, the specific subject under discussion), it's just not a PERFECT sphere. So what? Who said it was? thingamabob writes: Isaiah says in 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"Where does that verse say anything about the shape of the earth? Right there in the text - "THE circle of THE earth." You sound like Peg :A sphere is not a sphere. A circle is not a circle. War is peace.Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Kapyong
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Kapyong Member (Idle past 3468 days) Posts: 344 Joined: |
Gday,
ICANT writes: It could possibly be the circle the earth takes around the sun but there would still be a problem. It could possibly be the circle the sun and the earth take around the Milky Way but there would still be a problem. The only circle I can think of that would work would be the circle around the universe which would be the third heaven where God sits on His throne. But it couldn't POSSIBLY be the circle of a flat disk earth, could it? As sceptics claim. You don't even MENTION that possibility, even though it's been argued in this very thread. In fact, you tell us you can't even THINK OF any such possibility! In other words, you literally cannot even consider that the bible could be wrong. Kapyong
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shalamabobbi Member (Idle past 2875 days) Posts: 397 Joined: |
I read your other post about the equator and if God was sitting on the equator and He saw a human they would not be the size of grasshoppers. So that would be out.
Actually when hangliding, seeing people about the size of grasshoppers is out for anything above about 500ft.Maybe that tower of babel story included plans for a not so tall tower? It could possibly be the circle the earth takes around the sun but there would still be a problem.
And that ties in so well with the grasshopper objection you raised earlier. Oh wait..
It could possibly be the circle the sun and the earth take around the Milky Way but there would still be a problem. The only circle I can think of that would work would be the circle around the universe which would be the third heaven where God sits on His throne. From there He could stretch out the heavens. You left out the part where the one sitting on the circle of the earth stretched out the heavens.
I see the study of Newtonian mechanics has not been wasted on you.
He could not be in this universe and stretch out the heavens. The first heaven being our Milky Way and the second heaven being the billions of galaxies. He could spread them from within but He would have to be outside to stretch them out. If I remember what I read it is supposed to become a sphere around 6013.
Is that in consequence of the cosmological inflation? Hi ICANT,I see the opposition has called you in off the bench. Please don't let them down.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4955 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
thing writes: The land was all in one place on the third day and man was created on the sixth day. So why wasn't man there? When did the land mass get changed that he could not wittness it in one place? im not a creationist so i dont adhere to the literal 6 days of creation. the hebrew word translated to 'day' in english represents a 'period of time' it cannot be a literal 24 hours for several reasons that have been discussed in other threads but is off topic here so i wont go into it.
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Black Member (Idle past 5209 days) Posts: 77 Joined: |
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2321 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Hello Black, welcome to EvC. (what the hell is that thing in your avatar anyway? Looks creepy )
Black writes:
Doesn't say anything about the shape of the Earth. It does say however the Earth does not move. Something which is also false. The same goes for your other verses. However, as you noted, in other translations, it is different. How are we to determine which is the correct one? Oh! Look! We have a thread just for that purpose! See here 1 Chronicles 16:30Tremble before Him, all the earth; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved. Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
I think the Maya would have something to say about that. Did the kingdoms of the earth, at that time, cover the whole spherical world as we know it? Perhaps this is better interpreted that, Jesus was shown all the kingdoms of the world at that time. While the verses can be said to make sense more if you interpret "the whole world" as "the known world" there is nothing in the text that indicates it should be interpreted in that way. Edited by Huntard, : Spellings I hunt for the truth What you can do in my country and get away with: Softdrugs? Legal!Legal drinking age? 16! Birth control (the pill)? Free! Gay marriage? Legal! Abortion? Legal! Euthanasia? Legal! Age of consent? 16 (14 if you have the parents permission)! Yep, only one way down for us!
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Black Member (Idle past 5209 days) Posts: 77 Joined: |
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4742 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
I have stated my argument. Since I don't feel like circle jerking I will leave it at that.
With that attitude you'll never become a master debater. Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Hello Black and welcome to EvC.
quote: No. Can't be done. You can't prove what the authors thought one way or another. All that either of us can do is producing a convincing argument one way or another. I have presented the argument for a flat Earth Bible. I find it convincing. You are free to hold whatever opinion you wish.
quote: No, and I never said that they did. Except for the last one, they address the earth's immobility. As I have explained already, I am trying to build up a big picture here. To understand the flat earth of the Hebrews it is necessary to understand other aspects of their cosmology, such as the immobile Earth and geocentricity. Further, some aspects of Bible cosmology are themselves evidence for a flat earth Bible. The domed firmament, for example, makes absolutely no sense when discussing a sphere, but it makes perfect sense on a flat disc. The four winds make no sense on a sphere, but are internally logical when considered on a flat Earth.
quote: Yes. There were kingdoms in the Americas at the time. This passage cannot be literally true except on a flat Earth.
quote: How do you know that they are "better" when interpreted that way? They might have been intended to describe the literal whole Earth. Just because they seem less erroneous when interpreted that way does not mean that the interpretation is any closer to the original intent. You are making the mistake of trying to shoehorn the text into a modern world-view, a view that is entirely anachronistic.
quote: No, it is totally relevant. First, it describes the "ends of the earth" ("skirts" in the KJV). A sphere has no ends that God might grasp. A flat Earth fits much better with this text, giving the impression of God shaking the Earth like a blanket. The clay seal reference is also quite telling. It describes the earth as being changed in a way that is like the stamping of clay under a seal. That is a reference to the Bronze Age practice of stamping clay under seals, as is shown in this picture;
There is no way that this makes sense on a spherical Earth. The author would have been quite capable of describing God as "rolling up" the Earth or some such. The obvious implication is that the earth is basically flat, like a clay tablet, with mountains and other landscape features being equivalent to the letters. It is also worth noting that these two verses come together, providing a stronger case that the author(s) thought the earth flat. Mutate and Survive "The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Coragyps,
Coragyps writes: Agreed. But more nearly a ball than a frisbee, right? Agreed.
Coragyps writes: You 1) misremembered or 2) read some poor science fiction. Actually it was a misread. I got to quit reading charts into the wee hours of the morning. As the earth slows the pole diameter is getting larger. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
GM writes: The four winds make no sense on a sphere, but are internally logical when considered on a flat Earth. What? The four winds are in today; the Easterlies, the Westerlies, The Northerlies and the Southerlies. You tried this with the sunrise and sunset. You insist on exacting things on the Bible that you don't exact on ourselves today. No, Granny. LOL. That some individuals like you and even some of the ancients who read the Bible have interpreted it as flat earthly ideology does not establish that it was written as a flat earth record. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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