Expectations For The New Obama Democrat Government

No, he sees disaster because Obama has a non-white sounding name, and has some bare associations with people and a religion that Buz doesn't approve of. If I were elected president, he'd likely claim there was some sort of evil Atheist conspiracy at work and that I'd make religious belief a capital offense.Buz doesn't approve of "liberalism" because what passes for liberals in America don't pander to the religious right the way that Bush's conservatives have.Buz is afraid because Obama has a non-white name and has brown skin.Buz is afraid because Obama's father had a different religion from Buz, which means that according to Buz's beliefs, Obama's father must be worshiping a lie from the devil. Further, a minority of the believers of this religion are violent radicals who use particularly barbaric tactics to frighten their much more populous and powerful enemies, despite the fact that they have no ability to affect real damage to America except through frightening us into the exact sort of mindset Buz exemplifies. This means Obama is of course guilty by association.Buz is afraid because Obama has associations with other people with non-white sounding names, and a man who was a member of a terrorist organization (though not even close to the sort of terrorist organization that is Al Qaeda) several decades ago.Buz is afraid because Obama has associations with an "angry black man." Racism, you see, is okay if it's kept quiet and is not against white people. If you make angry comments and even a few ridiculous accusations because your race has historically been and is currently being discriminated against by whites, you're an evil man. Obama is, of course, guilty by association (Which is funny, because the "angry black man" in question is a Christian pastor, which would seem to undermine Buz's irrational fear of Obama being a Muslim - but then, that's irrationality for you. Not to mention that association doesn't mean you support all of a person's beliefs or past actions - I have plenty of friends whose political or religious positions I find to be wrongheaded at the least).Buz is afraid because anything other than 100% support of Israel regardless of any atrocities committed by the Israelis and regardless of any of the problems inherent with carving a new nation out of the Middle East and calling it a "Jewish State" conflicts with his religious beliefs surrounding the end of the world.I could go on, but I don't see the point. Buz is just a racist in denial, who also hates non0Christians in general and Muslims in general. To Buz, all Muslims are terrorists, and all brown people with Arab-sounding names and a Muslim parent are Muslims themselves. He's just an irrational bigot, and I really don't see why we've given him so much attention for being such. He's been called out on his vitriol on many occasions, and I don't see any reason to keep feeding the racist troll.

I meant that he doesn't consider himself to be racist. But then, most racists don't.

My cat has a stronger grasp of morality than Buz,

What qualifications are necessary to make moral judgments? I'm perfectly able to determine that racism, religious intolerance, homophobia and other flavors of bigotry are immoral, in the same way I can determine that murder, theft, rape, and other actions are immoral.In the case of Nosy's judgment of Buz, Nosy is taking the clear image of Jesus as a preacher of love for all of mankind and comparing it to Buz's outright hatred (even if he won't admit as much) of brown people, gays, and non-Christians. Jesus specifically instructed everyone to love their neighbor, not hate them. It's a pretty cut-and-dry comparison, if you ask me.You seem to take the opinion that only those who are morally perfect should be "qualified" to judge others in terms of morality. Unfortunately, we're all human beings, which means none of us are perfect. We all feel fear, we all feel anger, and we are all ignorant. The difference is how you react to those feelings. When you practice willful ignorance even when corrected, and when you apply your fear and hatred not to individuals who deserve it but to entire races and religions, you've crossed the line into bigotry.Buz is fearful and hateful of all Muslims, and he lumps anyone with an Arabic-sounding name and brown skin into the Muslim category regardless of any facts of worship or statements of the individual in question. Buz is on record stating that interracial relationships are immoral (which is rather personally offensive to me, having a half-black ex-stepdaughter and an interracial girlfriend), for which he can provide no actual reason other than his own bigotry. Buz has made some very disgusting and factually incorrect statements regarding homosexuality, and things homosexuality is immoral, despite having nothing more than the Bible to support such an assertion.Buz is a bigot. Plain and simple.Feel free to say I'm unqualified. After all, I mock people who make irrational statements, and have an extreme distaste for all religion in general and Christianity in particular. But I don't judge people by their faith - most of the Christians I know (with the exception of those I tend to meet on evolution debate forums, like Buz) are very nice people who support equal treatment under the law for everyone and respect the rights of others to have faiths different from their own. I like those people. I just don't like bigots. Or irrational idiots. Like Buz (irrationality and bigotry do seem to go well together).

Buz, we don't call you a bigot because your opinion is a minority view. Bigotry is not a reverse popularity contest. Further, simple disagreement does not make one a bigot. I disagree with religion in general, but I won't judge a person because of whether they believe in a deity.But when you say that homosexuality is immoral, or that mixing races is wrong, or that a Muslim if elected President would begin a policy of forced conversion to Islam in the US, you're making blanket judgments about large groups of people.

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Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \bi-gt\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

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You, Buz, are obstinately and intolerantly devoted to your opinions and prejudices. To you, all Muslims are terrorists, and all people with Arabic names and brown skin are Muslims. To you, homosexuality is evil, and you cannot back that assertion up with any sort of rational argument beyond appealing to the authority of the Bible. Evidence that homosexuality is common in nature and that homosexual relationships can be just as happy, committed, and loving as heterosexual relationships simply falls on deaf ears with you.You respond to groups of people with intolerance and hatred in the guise of "loving the sinner and hating the sin," as if you could somehow simultaneously love a person while hating an intrinsic part of his being.You make wild accusations about Obama being some super-secret Muslim, as if there were a religious test required to be President in the US (a little aside: the COnstitution specifically forbids any religious test. A Muslim should have jsut as much ability to be President as a Christian or a Jew or a Hindu or a Biddist or an Atheist - only the bigotry of the voting public keeps the Presidency as a de facto Christian office). You ignore evidence to the contrary, asserting that any evidence of his Christianity is in actuality a cover to allow him to infiltrate the US government and begin forcing people to convert to Islam (as if the President had that kind of power anyway, or that you need to be President to infiltrate the government - Obama couldn't institute the sort of policies you're afraid of without the cooperation of Congress and the Supreme Court, as well as enough of the military and general public to overwhealm the non-Muslim majority of the nation. Even the Nazis weren't a one-man operation, or did you think that Hitler was a "stealth anti-semite" and enacted his policies on an innocent, Jew-loving populace who widely rejected the Nazis?).You abandon sense and reason in favor of your wild, fearful fantasies. And why? Because "Barack Hussein Obama" is not a Christian name, and because he has brown skin. You don't have any evidence to support your assertions beyond flimsy associations and terrified repetitions of your "STEALTH MUSLIM" mantra.This has absolutely nothing to do with your views beign the minority opinion here or anywhere else, Buz. It has nothing to do with general disagreement, either. It has everything to do with you being a bigot.

Bullshit strawman. Socialized medicine != forced treatment. Universal availability does not mean the laws in the US allowing individuals to refuse treatment will somehow disappear.Idiot.

He's not the "stealth" Commander in Chief, Buz. He is the Commander in Chief. He's not some hidden commander directing the military from behind the scenes,he's the lawfully elected President of teh United States.Obama is not his father. Obama is not his stepfather. Muslim != "terrorist." "Terrorist" != Muslim. Obama is not Kenyan. Kenyan != "terrorist."Obama is not his friends and acquaintances. "Angry black preacher" != "enemy of the state." "Friend of angry black preacher" != "enemy of the state." "Former member of a group that used property damage as a political tool" != "enemy of the state." "Bare acquaintance of person who used to be a member of a group that used property damage as a political tool" != "enemy of the state."All of your posts are collections of absurdities spawned from your anti-Muslim bigotry.Shall we play the same game with President Bush? Bush freely associated with members of the ruling family of Saudi Arabia, even inviting them to his personal ranch. The ruling family of Saudi Arabia is Muslim, and even includes Osama bin Laden himself. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.Should we equate all Christian fundamentalists with terrorists because of the terrorist abortion clinic bombers?Should we call all members of churches where Christian theocracy is promoted "enemies of the state?"Should we call you an "enemy of the state" because of your opposition to the current US administration?I swear Buz, I don't think I've ever spoken to a racist quite as far over the edge as you are when Muslims are concerned.

And I suppose you have secret knowledge of his true, insidious motivations?You make him sound like a Bond villain. I know as much about Obama's past as I do about Bush's, and I can say I like Obama's history far better already. Are you really that dense?Obama is not his father. Which means that pointing out the identity of his father is irrelevant. It doesn't matter that his father is a Kenyan Muslim. That doesn't make Obama a Kenyan Muslim. Even if it did, I don't see how one's ancestry and religion would be relevant in a nation where the law and the opportunities it provides is applied equally across all racial and religious boundaries. It sounds to me like you're making an assertion of guilt by association regarding a red herring. Obama is not Rev. Wright. Obama is not Ayers. Obama is not Sen. Clinton, or Pres. Bush, or John McCain, or any of his other friends and acquaintances. He is not guilty of any of their crimes, or deserving of praise for their accomplishments.Barack Obama, you insipid little racist twit, needs to be judged on his own accomplishments and actions, not those of his parents, or his friends, or his former colleagues, or his acquaintances, or his church's preacher, not the nationality or religion of his ancestors, not his race or even his religion.Your "guilt by association" game is the purview of conspiracy theorists and reactionary racist cowards who are terrified of anyone different from themselves.But then, we all knew you were one of those already, didn't we Buz.

How about CNN, where it was the top item on the page when I saw it over two days, you brainless halfwit racist? When almost every media outlet is saying the same thing, you think your source is somehow right and everybody else is wrong?Oh, wait. It's Buz. Objectivity and facts and rational thought are foreign to him.I'm out. Continuing to participate in this thread is just going to piss me off until I get myself suspended. Have fun cowering in terror of "teh ebil Muslim stealth president," moron. You aren't worth my time.