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Author Topic:   People Don't Know What Creation Science Is
Huntard
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Message 3 of 336 (500828)
03-02-2009 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by lyx2no
03-02-2009 3:30 PM


Re: Welcome Kelly
I'm also intrigued by this, will we finally get to see what methods are used, and what hypotheses are tested? I can hardly wait!
Kelly, I'll follow this thread with great interest!

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Huntard
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Message 91 of 336 (501267)
03-05-2009 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Kelly
03-05-2009 1:23 PM


Re: I said macroevolution in the vertical sense
I think it's time I say something here too.
Kelly writes:
from one species into another is not something that can be observed by anyone due to the emmense span of time.
Oh? So all the instances of observed speciation in nature and in the lab never happened?
dinosaur to bird
Archaeopterix ring a bell?
Anyway, don't you think it is time to tell us all what creation science IS?
I'll give you a hand with the post format. (oh, and by the way, I am truly interested in your explanation, from now on, I'll pretend I know absolutely nothing, and will go with whatever you explain to me, ok?)
Creation science is {description of creation science}. The methods used by creation science are {the methods used by creation science}. The observations creation science made are {the observations made by creation science}. Creation science proposes this model to explain these observations {the creation science model}. And with this model creation science makes these predictions {the predictions of creation science}.
Now, if you could just fill in the blanks there, I'm sure you'll make a lot of people happy, me included.
And remember, for the duration of this post, I'll go with what you'll tell me, I might ask additional questions if something is not clear, but on the whole I'll follow your argument. Now, go convince me creation science has got it right!

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Huntard
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Message 97 of 336 (501278)
03-05-2009 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Kelly
03-05-2009 2:04 PM


Re: The debate can go on...
Kelly writes:
obvious design
Kelly, perhaps you can help me with this, I'm having trouble identifying design, could you please help me by telling me a method to look for it? If it really is such a good reason to believe in creation, than I'm very eager to learn.
Neither creationists or evolutionists can repeat the origins moment and are left with the evidence or results of that moment. We can each study and test this evidence according to our "models" or hypothesis to see which model better predicts what we should then find to be true.
But I don't know what your model is, would you be so kind as to show me what it is, so I can extrapolate the data for myself and see if it turns out to be creation that is most likely?
Either life happened spontaneously and by chance through eons of time--or it was created instantaneously. I don't know of any other possibility.
It was created through eons of time, perhaps?

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Huntard
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Message 303 of 336 (501609)
03-07-2009 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 300 by Taq
03-06-2009 10:02 PM


Re: Starting fresh
Hello Taq, welcome to EvC.
Taq writes:
For example, if your hypothesis is that all swans are white then the null hypothesis is a black swan. Find a black swan and you have supported the null hypothesis, and falsified the hypothesis.
Or a pink swan, or a green swan, or a yellow swan...
Yes, I know, those don't exist. But that's not the point. The point is, the null hypothesis doesn't have to exist for it to make the theory valid. Hope that helped.
Good question by the way, but I doubt you'll get an answer, I tried several times myself and didn't get an answer to my questions about how creation science works.

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Huntard
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Message 308 of 336 (501634)
03-07-2009 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 307 by Kelly
03-07-2009 7:10 AM


Re: I have no creationist forum to go back to
Kelly writes:
I never never frequented a creation forum. I don't need to ask for creation model or examples of what the science is about. I already know the answers and have tried to supply some here. I have recommended a good book which would go into more detail than I can.
But I don't care about the argument the book makes, tell me what it is in your own words. Then we can have a discussion. Telling people "it's all in the book". Doesn't get us anywhere.
By-the-way, it isn't my fault that everyone jumped all over this thread and it is the reason I am unable to keep up. But I can see that there is alot of closedmindedness here, so I can't waste this kind of time.p
I'm not close minded, but you failed to present your argument.
If you want to put this all to rest it is very simple. Tell us, in your own words, what creation science is, what methods it uses to study the world around them, what the data is that was gathered, what conclusions were drawn from it, and what tests were done to ensure these conclusions were accurate.
That might be a bit much to do all at once, so just start with the first thing. Tell us, in your own words, what creation science is.

I hunt for the truth

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 325 of 336 (501700)
03-07-2009 2:03 PM


Summation
Well, summation time I guess.
It has become painfully clear in the duration of this thread that no matter how many times she was asked to provide the creation science methods, conclusions, tests, or other such things, Kelly has been unable to supply them.
She then accused us of close mindedness for not agreeing with something she hasn't explained.
Too bad, I had some hopes for this one.

I hunt for the truth

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