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Author Topic:   Best approaches to deal w/ fundamentalism
New Cat's Eye
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Message 33 of 142 (500795)
03-02-2009 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Kelly
03-02-2009 2:27 PM


Re: The creationist
In answer to your question, what would I do if macroevolution were proven true, would I compromise my faith? The answer is no. If macroevolution were true, I would have to abandon my faith in the God of the Bible. The way I see it, if God can't be accurate in what he has revealed historically or scientifically, I would have no reason to trust what he has said spiritually speaking either. I mean, if God doesn't know that the earth is not flat or that he did not create life instantly, then he doesn't know much of anything, right? How could I put my faith in His promise to raise me from the dead as He did Jesus Christ when the source of this truth is so filled with error?
You should propose a new topic on this too.
This is absolutely horrible theology.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 35 of 142 (500799)
03-02-2009 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Kelly
03-02-2009 3:06 PM


Re: seriously now...
I feel that I am answering shalamabobbi's question and you are telling me I am still off topic?
It doesn't matter if someone asks or not. Usually, some side conversations don't really disrupt the topic and are okay for a while. When they start dominating the posts they become "too" off-topic.
You're post could very well be in that "okay" zone, but if I respond to your feelings on evolution destroying your faith, then I feel like that would be taking it too far off topic. And then if you responded back to me we would not be talking about "Best approaches to deal w/ fundamentalism" at all so we'd definately be off topic. I was just trying to be a little pro-active and not even get that ball rolling.
And where did I offer any theology?
Theology is specifically the study of religions but, generally, any talk about gods can be considered theology.
By theology I was referring to when you said that if evolution was proven to you then you'd loose your faith in God.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 39 of 142 (500809)
03-02-2009 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Straggler
03-02-2009 3:38 PM


Re: The Effect of Evidence on Faith
Why don't you propose a topic relating to the effects of evidence on belief and then invite Kelly along for the ride?
Because I suck at it and it takes too long.
I feel like I'm better at responding than starting.
I think it would make a really good topic. What would be the effect of abiogenesis, evolution or the BB (for example) being demonstrated in such a way as to make denial all but impossible?
I agree that it would be good and would participate.
I just don't know how to start it off properly.
You get my vote as being the man for the job......Your mission should you choose to accept it.................?
Hopefully sombody else will start it.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 41 of 142 (500811)
03-02-2009 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Kelly
03-02-2009 3:39 PM


Re: shalamabobbi specifically restated the topic of his thread
Well shit. I guess he changed the topic.
I think there are too many limits to discussion here. This inhibits good debate. Maybe no one here is really interested in debate, but rather, simply wants to further perpetuate the indoctrination of a theory they prefer.
This is the best debate site on the internet and part of that is due to focused topics. Being "too" focused could be a problem, but not being focused enough is worse. Its a tough line to follow.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 46 of 142 (500819)
03-02-2009 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Kelly
03-02-2009 4:03 PM


Re: That modification has already occured
Those who adhere to a theistic evolutionary viewpoint have reduced the Bible to being nothing more than an allegory or a non-literal work.
Not ture. I'm a theistic evolutionist and I think there is more to the Bible than allegory. It reveals some of the most important and great truths of our world.
A good analogy is the map/territory one.
The real world is the territory and the Bible is the map. There will be some places where the map differs from the territory but it is still a useful tool. It is important to remember that the map is not the territory, itself.
In other words, don't worship the Bible.
If the creation story is not literal then how does one know what is literal (if anything) in Scripture?
You don't.
Do you see the problem?
Yes, but only if your faith is a house of cards.
I don't know that Jesus was a literal person but I have faith that he was. If it had to be 'proven' to me that Jesus was a literal person before I believed it then I would have knowledge, which is the opposite of faith.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 75 of 142 (500943)
03-03-2009 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Kelly
03-03-2009 2:27 PM


I really think it is to your advantage to actually understand what creation science is.
You're the one who doesn't know what Creation Science actually is.
The book you suggested, "What is Creation Science" only attacks evolutionist ideas and does not offer any positive evidence of creation. That is not really science.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 80 of 142 (500957)
03-03-2009 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Kelly
03-03-2009 3:27 PM


Re: The truth is, shalamabobbi
I think that Catholic Scientist doesn't really know much about my theology or the Bible for that matter. That's why he needs to insult me.
Oh, quit being a bitch already.
I know all about your house of cards faith and how one single error in the Bible would make you stop believing in God and in order to believe in God you have to trick yourself into thinking that there are no errors in the Bible even when they are as plain as day to anyone who can read.
FYI, I do know a lot about the Bible.

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