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Message 213 of 356 (465824)
05-10-2008 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Dr Adequate
05-10-2008 10:24 PM


Re: Objective of School
Those are fine sounding words, only doesn't all education "narrow horizons" to a certain extent? You are taught that the world is round, and you are shown evidence. Your "horizons" have then been "narrowed", you now find it hard to believe that the world is flat or tetrahedral. To learn something is to learn that the alternatives aren't true.
"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few." - Shunryo Suzuki-Roshi

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Message 301 of 356 (500704)
03-01-2009 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by alaninnont
03-01-2009 10:03 PM


Clarification of your points
Evolution is an increase in complexity and organization through incremental change leading from one species to another. The evidence for this is substantially weaker.
You are completely wrong on this. Evolution is not an increase in complexity--that is a misconception that is spread by creationists, and it is completely wrong. Evolution is change from one generation to the next. Period.
The second is your reference to factual evidence. There are no facts in science. We form a hypothesis based on empirical evidence with the understanding that it may need to be changed if additional evidence comes forward. The closest thing to a fact in science is a reasonable probability. Claiming evolution as a fact is misleading and harmful to the reputation of science.
There are indeed facts in science--billions and billions of them. Empirical evidence, which you mention, actually consists of billions and billions of facts. Facts are something that can be observed and/or quantified in some manner.
What may change "if additional evidence comes forward" are the hypotheses and theories that seek to explain those facts.
Due to the way the English language names things, evolution is both a fact and a theory. The fact part is change from one generation to the next--you are not exactly like either of your parents or your grandparents. There is change in each generation. There are also mutations, and the whole mess is combed over by natural selection.
That is where the evolution as theory comes in: the theory of evolution seeks to explain all of the observed facts.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 313 of 356 (501060)
03-03-2009 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 312 by alaninnont
03-03-2009 10:22 PM


Looking at valiant efforts of evolutionists trying to reproduce the first cell and the second law of thermodynamics where in an open or closed system, all things tend toward entropy, not increasing complexity, I'd say it is more probable that a creator was involved.
Perhaps you could do a bit of studying in fields scientific, and avoid the creationist websites for a bit.
All of your points of have been refuted ages ago, and your conclusion that there was a creator involved does not follow.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 337 of 356 (502517)
03-11-2009 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by alaninnont
03-11-2009 5:28 PM


Nonsense
I get the sense that when atheists talk about evolution, they are defining it basically as change.
What is this "atheists" nonsense, Kemo Sabe?
Evolution is a science that comes out the same no matter who does it--if they follow the scientific method. And most of the folks who do science follow one religion or another but have no problem with the scientific method and where it leads.
The only folks who come up with different answers are a small minority of religious fundamentalists who follow a literal interpretation of some ancient text--and they can't even agree with one another.
Perhaps those fundamentalists should stick to their idols and demons, and let science (which relies on evidence rather than revelations) progress as it has since it got out from under the thumb of religious zealots?
Good idea, eh?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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