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Larni
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Message 16 of 181 (501730)
03-07-2009 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Taz
03-07-2009 3:16 PM


Scroll down to page 12 (on the document) or page 17 (adobe page count).
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kuresu
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Message 17 of 181 (501750)
03-07-2009 4:10 PM


I scored either a 36 or a 37. It all depends on how you round (-2.6 is -2 or -3, and I went with -3).

Of course, if I didn't get hung over one of the questions that RAZD did (# 13, about admiring those who challenged the status quo over various topics), and decided to even just slightly agree, I would have the lowest score so far.

Has Boulder done this, or is it Bush?


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Modulous
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Message 18 of 181 (501776)
03-07-2009 4:51 PM
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03-07-2009 4:10 PM


-2.6?
I scored either a 36 or a 37. It all depends on how you round (-2.6 is -2 or -3, and I went with -3).

When did you need to do rounding?


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Message 19 of 181 (501777)
03-07-2009 5:01 PM
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03-07-2009 10:30 AM


Re: Re Score
Hi ICANT,
Just because you scored under 100 in this test doesn't let you off the hook. You may still be an authoritarian leader..
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kuresu
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Message 20 of 181 (501778)
03-07-2009 5:03 PM
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03-07-2009 4:51 PM


Re: -2.6?
Ah, well he said that if you have different opinions about different parts of the statement, to take the average. Naturally, on one of the statements I had three separate opinions, {-1, -3, and -4}. Which gives you -2.666...7. Is my breakdown of that statement (19) justifiable? It was at the time for me. I get the feeling that trying to rationalize your answers is not the goal here, though.
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bluescat48
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Message 21 of 181 (501779)
03-07-2009 5:10 PM


score: 91 I don't know if it makes sense or not.


There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008


    
kuresu
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Message 22 of 181 (501784)
03-07-2009 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by kuresu
03-07-2009 4:10 PM


I'm reading through the book (far more interesting, and relevant, than my viking age reading...), and I found an interesting statement:

quote:
The only situation I found in which a crisis lowered RWA scores involved a repressive government that assaulted nonviolent protestors (which I have termed “the Gandhi trap”). Otherwise, when there’s trouble, people generally look to the authorities to fix things.

In my previous post, I asked if my low score was partly a result of the Bush administration's actions or from living in Boulder. I asked because I know I've gotten more liberal, or at least, I'm much more honest about my liberalism (it's far easier being a liberal in Boulder than in Bristol). It would seem, though, that the Bush administration is at least partly responsible for creating a low score, if at a subconscious level.

Of course, since I don't study psychology, I'm most likely talking completely out of my ass, but this is a very fascinating read. Thanks Percy for reminding me of this book.


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cavediver
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Message 23 of 181 (501801)
03-07-2009 7:47 PM
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03-07-2009 3:31 PM


I scored 37.

Snap - must be the UK connection :)

Don't know about you, but many of the questions were "err, duh!" and I've never felt like that liberal. Is it a sign of just how far the entire US spectrum is shifted to the right compared with us?

BTW, did you see that Mod was in the 40s!! I always knew he was a closet Nazi...


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subbie
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Message 24 of 181 (501810)
03-07-2009 8:43 PM


21
Not that I tend to see things as either black or white at all.

:)

Edited by subbie, : miscounted


For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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CosmicChimp
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Message 25 of 181 (501812)
03-07-2009 8:50 PM


65
65, but I need to get an idea about the entire spectrum or range of possible results so as to judge my own position.
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Message 26 of 181 (501813)
03-07-2009 8:52 PM
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03-07-2009 8:50 PM


Re: 65
Near as I can figure, the lowest possible score is 20 and the highest possible score is 180.


For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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CosmicChimp
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Message 27 of 181 (501814)
03-07-2009 9:04 PM
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03-07-2009 8:52 PM


Re: 65
Thanks subbie. I'm on the good half then I guess. =)
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Message 28 of 181 (501818)
03-07-2009 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by CosmicChimp
03-07-2009 8:50 PM


Re: 65
I believe he goes into this in greater detail later in the book, and generally uses a score of 90 and above to differentiate the {more authoritarian} from the {less authoritarian} so it is not used as a cut and dried scale.

And, for Kuresu (Message 22), he also talks about the moderating effect of education, with the children of 100 and up parents scoring 90s.

So you are moderate.

Curiously I find that an extreme low score (sorry Subbie) is also authoritarian in reactionary ways. Or as Subbie implies, black and white thinking.

Where it gets fun is where he puts groups of students through an exercise with world governments and politics. He put all high scores in the same game, and they rapidly ended up in nuclear world wars that destroyed the earth, even after a "reset" to try again.

Meanwhile the groups of low scores together they resolved issues and formed world governments.

And then we look at the middle east crisis ... anyone want to guess on the scores for the participants there?

For some strange reason I am much happier with Obama on the red button than Bushie.

Enjoy.


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subbie
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Message 29 of 181 (501826)
03-08-2009 1:20 AM
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03-07-2009 10:13 PM


Re: 65
quote:
Curiously I find that an extreme low score (sorry Subbie)
You're dead to me now.

quote:
is also authoritarian in reactionary ways. Or as Subbie implies, black and white thinking.

I'd be curious to hear your reasoning on that.

As I see it, my score reflects a live and let live attitude, free from governmental intrusion into areas that are none of its business. My opinion about governmental interference into citizens' privacy is rather extreme, I acknowledge that. But in what way do you view it as reactionary?


For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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anglagard
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Message 30 of 181 (501829)
03-08-2009 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
03-07-2009 9:10 AM


Big Picture More Than Simple Tests
While the test is amusing, I think it is the content of the entire work which should be emphasized. However if you must know my scores for compartmentalization purposes, here they are:

1. Altemeyer

2. For inveterate test-takers, here is another http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

3. And another http://www.okcupid.com/politics

My scores:

1. 23

2. -4.75 economic left/right; -7.79 social libertarian/authoritarian

3. Socialist

I was hoping to find that test that stated I am an Anarcho-syndicalist Libertarian but that was a few years back. At any rate that is how I define myself, regardless of any test results.

Edited by anglagard, : an before A but never before H (anarcho-syndicalist libertarian rules concerning English grammar)


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza


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