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Topic: Creation science II
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 9 of 312 (501740)
03-07-2009 3:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Kelly
03-07-2009 2:59 PM
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Re: Creationists
Creationists accept microevolution as a process seen through mutations and natural selection within types. Easy question, Kelly: what is a "type?" Creationists use that word (or "kind") a lot, but never define it past, "oh, you know what that is!" Can you offer a definition? I know that you don't seem to like answering questions, but humor me. We can discuss your answer only after you supply one. And since it seems to be involved in the very foundations of Creation Science.... Edited by Coragyps, : tpyo
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 15 of 312 (501758)
03-07-2009 4:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by Kelly
03-07-2009 4:07 PM
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Re: This is so exhausting
We don't oppose any science and in fact agree with everything that is observable. That is simply UNTRUE! Creationists nearly always DISAGREE that, for example, the literal and figurative mountains of evidence for a planet that's several thousands of millions of years old is even evidence at all! Believe me, Kelly, it's as exhausting for us as it is for you. When are you going to give your first direct answer to a question?
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 18 of 312 (501765)
03-07-2009 4:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Kelly
03-07-2009 4:14 PM
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Re: Oh please..
I have more than once used that term in conjunction with "species." There are many different types of cats, for example. But a cat is a cat is a cat. Oooh! The start of an answer! Is a bobcat a cat? An ocelot? A lion or tiger? A fossa? And is Yersinia pestis, one of the Germy Type, part of the same type as Yersinia enterocolica? Part of the same type as their fellow Enterobacteria Escherichia coli? Are all Proteobacteria one type, or a couple of thousands of types? How do Creation Microbiologists decide?
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 20 of 312 (501771)
03-07-2009 4:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Kelly
03-07-2009 4:24 PM
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Re: What planet are you talking about?
Please be more specific.
We always agree on what is observable. So you agree that the age derived for moon rocks by measurement of five different decay chains, all following the known and observed laws of nuclear physics, is over 4,200,000,000 years? You agree with mainstream biologists that we humans having remnants of two centromeres and four telomeres on our chromosome 2 is a real fact?
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 157 of 312 (502376)
03-11-2009 10:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 154 by Kelly
03-11-2009 10:36 AM
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Re: Is it Science?
Kelly, again you say, more plainly this time, that a "type" is a species. Does this mean that you agree that there are a couple of hundred thousand "types" of beetle? A thousand or so "types" of mice and rats? Are you sure that's what you and the Creation Scientist in your pocket want to claim?
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: This is so exhausting
Says Eisenstein anyway. Sergei Eisenstein? I thought he was a filmmaker. Ralph Eisenstein, the butcher, probably never said anything like that.  Welcome to EvC, Sky-Writing! I hope you enjoy yourself here!
Actually, rocks have no dates stamped on them. That's true. The dates are stamped inside (igneous) rocks as ratios of several different isotopes. We have a "dates and dating" forum here where you can learn all about it.
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: This is so exhausting
No they aren't. Just ratios and theories about the ratios. We can only date things accurately to the beginning of written documentation. You are not just mistaken, but spectacularly mistaken, Sky. Click on http:// EvC Forum: Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III) --> EvC Forum: Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III) ,read a bit, and then we can discuss.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 761 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Re: This is so exhausting
Don't think you've been involved, first hand, in more involved in scientific research than me, cause it's not likely. Thirty years of it since my PhD from Ohio State in chemistry is, indeed, all I've got. Don't pull "mine is bigger than yours" on the internet, Sky - it often won't work. I'll see you over at the thread I linked to.
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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