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Dr Adequate
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Message 160 of 312 (502384)
03-11-2009 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Kelly
03-11-2009 10:17 AM


Re: Creation Science
Creation Science ..is a study of the evidence left behind, looking to test the creation model hypothesis which says that life was created suddenly and all things were completed at that time. There are no longer any processes occuring today.
So if I look at the evidence, in an attempt to test that hypothesis (which I have) and if I find that that hypothesis is a load of rubbish (which I have) ... is that, then, creation science?
There is nothing about true science that says we cannot test origins results for signs of created/designed law and order.
No indeed. True science has tested creationist nonsense. That's why scientists have rejected it as rubbish.
The self-styled "creation scientists" are simply the loons who are refusing to accept the results of an investigation which has been done, and done very thoroughly.
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Message 164 of 312 (502394)
03-11-2009 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by ICANT
03-11-2009 11:46 AM


Re: Is it Science?
Could it possibly be that they look at the same information and come to different conclusions?
No.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 166 of 312 (502398)
03-11-2009 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by Kelly
03-11-2009 12:08 PM


Re: Is it Science?
Let me give you an example. I'll go back to the fossil record. If evolutionists and creationists are honest, we all know that the whole record is sparse at best and that transitional fossils do not exist.
You see, this is what I'm talking about.
Creationists need thumping huge great falsehoods like that one.
Scientists compare their predictions of the existence and nature of intermediate forms with the intermediate forms that they find in the fossil record, and they observe that their predictions are correct. This is science.
Creationists lie to you and pretend that intermediate forms don't exist, because they're too frightened and dishonest to face reality. This is not science.
You see the difference?
We don't have two views of the same facts. We have one bunch of people acknowledging the facts and another bunch of people lying to you.
Evolutionists also agree that there are missing links, but instead of dealing with the fossil record, they have had to basically abandon their dependence upon it. They now say, in order to override the painful truth about missing links, that evolution occurs in quick sudden bursts and therefore there shouldn't be transitional fossils at all.
This is also untrue.
Before you decided to go around reciting dumb creationist lies, why didn't you find out whether or not they were true?
Now...whose allowing their worldview to get in the way of the obvious results of their findings?
The creationists who told you these dumb lies; and you for believing them without a moment's investigation.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 169 of 312 (502406)
03-11-2009 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Kelly
03-11-2009 12:27 PM


Re: That's a good question
In answer to your question, let's go with billions of years...
So you'd be fine with accepting the evolution of amphibians from fish, the evolution of reptiles and modern amphibians from basal amphibians, the evolution of mammal, birds, and modern reptiles from basal reptiles, and the evolution of humans from basal primates?
Good. Welcome to reality. Have a look around.
Or would you like to redraw your arbitrary line?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 174 of 312 (502419)
03-11-2009 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Kelly
03-11-2009 1:06 PM


Re: lol! nice artistict rendition
I guess you can make that become whatever you want to, hm?
Why do science textbooks continue to use the horse as a prime example of evolution, when the whole schema is demonstrably false?
In 1841, the earliest so-called 'horse' fossil was discovered in clay around London. The scientist who unearthed it, Richard Owen, found a complete skull that looked like a fox's head with multiple back-teeth as in hoofed animals. He called it Hyracotherium. He saw no connection between it and the modern-day horse.
...
Finally, when evolutionists assume that the horse has grown progressively in size over millions of years, what they forget is that modern horses vary enormously in size. The largest horse today is the Clydesdale; the smallest is the Fallabella, which stands at 43 centimetres (17 inches) tall. Both are members of the same species, and neither has evolved from the other.
Well, thanks for copying and pasting creationist crap for us, 'cos we've never seen any creationist crap before and we're really impressed.
And the great benefit for you, of course, is that you never, ever have to learn anything about the evolution of the horse. Not only do you run no risk of being right, you don't even have to make your own mistakes!
Edited by AdminModulous, : deleted lengthy copy/paste of copyrighted material. I have since deleted the copy/paste in the original post due to copyright violations.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 187 of 312 (502450)
03-11-2009 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Kelly
03-11-2009 1:29 PM


Re: Nice arrangement
It doesn't prove a thing, though. There is no proof that these fossils are stages from one to another. Just placing them as so is not proof. These are not [necessarily] transitional forms. Sorry.
To me, a transitional fossil must contain incipient developing or transitional structures--such as half-scales,/half-feathers, or half-legs/half-wings..etc. No such fossils are known.
This is not true.
Why didn't you find out if it was true before repeating it?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 213 of 312 (502525)
03-12-2009 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Kelly
03-11-2009 6:44 PM


Re: When it comes to historical science
When it comes to historical science
No one can claim to be doing real science in the operational sense
And people who are doing historical science do not claim to be doing "operational science".
They claim to be doing historical science, which is science (the clue's in the name) since it follows the same hypothetico-deductive method.
and both are guilty of being influenced by their worldviews. Pretending that evolutionists are different is just too silly!Evolution is also just a religious a faith based model as creation and no more scientific in the historical sense than creation.
You remember how I explained to you that you saying something doesn't magically make it true?
This would be a case in point.
The experience for your audience is that of listening to someone repeating: "Pigs can fly. They have wings. Pigs can fly. They really do have wings. Pigs really really can fly. They have wings ..." This is not an argument, this is mere assertion.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 218 of 312 (502569)
03-12-2009 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Sky-Writing
03-12-2009 10:56 AM


Re: Is it Science?
It is "science" as long as experiments can be carried out under the same conditions as the original events took place.
In your forest example...yes there are still some forests left to check for similar situations. But you had better carry out your forest testing soon.
You know, you don't get to define what science is.
After a while, it'll all be just whimsical scientific theory and historical speculation.....like Darwin's ideas.
Your ignorance of evolution is understandable; your willingness to post on this forum given that handicap is not.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 230 of 312 (502584)
03-12-2009 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by Sky-Writing
03-12-2009 12:12 PM


Re: This is so exhausting
"That is simply UNTRUE! Creationists nearly always DISAGREE that, for example, the literal and figurative mountains of evidence for a planet that's several thousands of millions of years old is even evidence at all!"
You are failing to provide evidence of disagreement there.
You need evidence that creationists disagree with geologists?
I suggest that you read up on creationism a little.
Actually, rocks have no dates stamped on them. When they were formed is speculation based on observable processes. The conditions they formed under is speculation as well as the date.
You are wrong.
You should read up on geology as well as creationism.
Since "mass" effects "time" then "time" may have been distorted as well during the rocks formation. Says Eisenstein anyway.
Who is this Eisenstein chap and why does he talk such drivel?
It sounds like he's some sort of drooling halfwit who's heard of Einstein's theory of general relativity and is trying to twist it into a bullshit creationist argument.
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