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Taq
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Message 301 of 312 (502697)
03-12-2009 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Sky-Writing
03-12-2009 6:39 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
1. That all evolutionary "Series" will be thrown out.

How does one test this prediction? What genetic evidence, if found, would throw out the evolutionary relationships currently supported by these genetic comparisons?

2. That all "species" or whatever designation you use will show up farther and farther back in the fossil record.

That's not a prediction of DNA comparisons.

3. That the DNA comparisons will have the same structure as my Avatar.

Comparisons of wagons and cars does not produce a single nested hierarchy, so this prediction has already failed.

Similar parts will be found suitable for similar uses.

The tetrapod forelimb is used as a leg, arm, wing, and flipper. That prediction fails as well.


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Sky-Writing
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Message 302 of 312 (502698)
03-12-2009 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by Stagamancer
03-12-2009 6:47 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
Once again, who IS they? There is no evolution conspiracy. If I come across ANY evidence disproving evolution by natural selection in my research, you can bet I will publish, publish, publish, and then you can clap as I receive my Nobel prize. I am not the only one who would do this either. However, until I find this type of evidence, or someone else does, I and the rest of the scientific community will accept evolution as a fact, and evolution by natural selection as a valid theory.

I guess you haven't figured out yet that it's a Spiritual problem. Even some Evo's have published that. People MUST embrace the mud or else admit they have done wrong against what they know it "right".

Admit that they are designed for good, yet do wrong. Embracing the mud is the only way out after they have done what they are not designed to do. Animals don't have this problem. They don't go nuts after killing others. We do, because we are designed better than they are.

It's a "spiritual conspiracy" inherent in man.


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Stagamancer
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Message 303 of 312 (502699)
03-12-2009 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Sky-Writing
03-12-2009 6:51 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
For proof, you suggest no actual benefits...because you can't think of any.

Knowing how evolution occurs is very important to humans in terms of disease. In case you hadn't noticed, antibiotics are working so well as they used to against many horrific diseases. This is also important for agriculture. It is very important to know the conditions in which host switching occurs, to know if, for example, a parasitic insect will switch from one crop species to another. Occasionally this switch also allows for speciation to occur. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1692958

There are many more I could talk about. But just because YOU can't see the value doesn't mean it's not there.

Why does every state in the union have laws that separate humans from animals? Because we aren't.

While completely irrelevant, I'd like to point out that we have laws separating us from animals, not because of a genetic difference, but because of a cultural and facultative difference. Animals are not active members of our society, they are only apart of our society when we make them apart of it.


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Taq
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Message 304 of 312 (502700)
03-12-2009 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Sky-Writing
03-12-2009 6:51 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
The concept that one species will mutate into another species has no value to humankind.

The production of new species has been observed both in the wild and in the lab. Also, the evolutionary relationship between species is used in the fields of comparative genomics and phylogenomics to figure out protein function and possible causes of genetic diseases.

What scientific discoveries and uses has been produced through creation science where DNA is concerned?

Why does every state in the union have laws that separate humans from animals? Because we aren't.

You mean that you are not a multicellular organism that ingests food and moves about? Really? Are you a plant? A fungus?


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Taq
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Message 305 of 312 (502701)
03-12-2009 7:05 PM
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03-12-2009 7:01 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
People MUST embrace the mud or else admit they have done wrong against what they know it "right".

If they know what is right and they do otherwise then that is all the justification one needs.


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shalamabobbi
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Message 306 of 312 (502702)
03-12-2009 7:06 PM
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03-12-2009 7:01 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
Admit that they are designed for good, yet do wrong. Embracing the mud is the only way out after they have done what they are not designed to do. Animals don't have this problem. They don't go nuts after killing others. We do, because we are designed better than they are.

Why does how you are made have anything to do with your capacity to determine right from wrong?


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dwise1
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Message 307 of 312 (502703)
03-12-2009 7:09 PM
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03-12-2009 6:51 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
You can create a signature in your profile and then just click the "Show Signature" box. It's the "Profile" link under the page's title graphic.

This is the second thread created for the benefit of another creationist, Kelly, who asserts that "creation science" is science, but in over 160 posts has not supported that assertion, despite our repeated requests that she do so. Apparently, her only source for that assertion is a single creationist book, What is Creation Science? by Henry Morris and Gary Parker, 1987.

Do you agree with her assertion? Would you care to take on the task of presenting evidence that "creation science" is indeed science and not just thinly-disguised religion? Mind you, this would need to include evidence for creation and not just claims against evolution.

You see, threads here are limited to 300 posts and your troll activities have eaten this thread's life-span. Time to give back to the forum.


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Sky-Writing
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Message 308 of 312 (502704)
03-12-2009 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by Taq
03-12-2009 6:59 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
Similar parts will be found suitable for similar uses.

The tetrapod forelimb is used as a leg, arm, wing, and flipper. That prediction fails as well.

That would be a similar structure being used for similar uses.

Yet you are quite blind to that because instead of
"body appendage for locomotion"
you chose different names for each even though they all
accomplish the same task.


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ICANT
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Message 309 of 312 (502705)
03-12-2009 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by Sky-Writing
03-12-2009 6:17 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
Hi Sky,

Welcome to EvC,

I don't want to get to far in your dog house but:

Sky writes:

My disdain is for branches of "Science", who produce nothing of value to humans. Like the idea that organic mud is my source of life. Mud should taste better then at least. And look nicer on ones face.

Genesis 2:7 says, "man was formed from the dust of the ground".

Genesis 2:19 says, "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air".

I guess that means everything has a common ancestor.

But no need to pay any attention to the old Bible thumper.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Sky-Writing
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Message 310 of 312 (502706)
03-12-2009 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by dwise1
03-12-2009 7:09 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
...Would you care to take on the task of presenting evidence that "creation science" is indeed science and not just thinly-disguised religion? Mind you, this would need to include evidence for creation and not just claims against evolution...

Sorry. "Creation Science" is no more or less faith based than the religious creeds I left behind in that one chapter in H.S. biology class covering Darwin's Evolution.


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Stagamancer
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Message 311 of 312 (502707)
03-12-2009 7:39 PM
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03-12-2009 7:21 PM


Re: Accomplished What?
"Creation Science" is no more or less faith based than the religious creeds I left behind in that one chapter in H.S. biology class covering Darwin's Evolution.

Perhaps the fact your only investigation into evolution is a single chapter in a textbook is the reason you can't understand the evidence, and continue to claim it's all faith based. Try reading some scientific papers.


"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
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Message 312 of 312 (502708)
03-12-2009 7:54 PM


--Thread Closed--
And we're done. We generally close threads when we reach the 300 post mark or thereabouts.

If anyone wants a constructive moderated debate about evolution please visit Forum Biological Evolution. If there are any issues left over from this thread that might be of interest you could try proposing a new topic.

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