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Author Topic:   Best approaches to deal w/ fundamentalism
anglagard
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Message 92 of 142 (501610)
03-07-2009 1:45 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Lithodid-Man
03-02-2009 6:40 PM


Re: My two-cents...
lithodid-Man writes:

I am firmly convinced that Bob Altemeyer's RWA scale explains a lot about the fundamentalist mindset, especially his work with logic problems. If not familiar, he found a correlation between high RWA's (of which most fundies are) and an inability to recognize flawed logic if they agreed with the conclusion. So they tended to claim a syllogism is logical if they believed the conclusion, no matter if one or more supporting statements were false.

I strongly agree, everyone should be familiar with this work. IMO it is the most powerful antidote to the disease of irrationality in existence.

In the extremely rare cases where a fundamentalist or any other anti-logic types actually try to read this work, they will either renounce their ways, or much more likely run away screaming that they are being picked on, never to post again.

This stuff is pure poison to fundies, none in my experience can survive a reading from beginning to end without change.

Altemeyer's introductory book on RWA:
www.theauthoritarians.com

Can any fundie left here take the challenge? Full text free on the web at the above link.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza


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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 110 of 142 (502737)
03-13-2009 3:39 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Sky-Writing
03-13-2009 3:16 AM


The Properly Humble Answer
-sky- writes:

If the world seems older than it is, it's not because God intended deception. It's because the earth needed to have a solid surface to stand on and rock to build on. Mud or plain water was just not suitable for what all He had in mind.

It's called natural science, as in physics, chemistry, geology, biology and all subsets. Don't knock it until you have tried it, or indeed even learned about it. Consider that God wrote the rocks and man wrote the books or one of mine "I believe in the works of God and not the words of men." For further elaboration see my signature.

Now we all know you do not want to be a Right Wing Authoritarian that filters all information through unquestioned and preconceived notions as that would make you a slave of the brain as hardwired rather than softwired.

All I ask is you read both sides and make an informed decision. like many here, I have.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza


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anglagard
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Message 115 of 142 (502746)
03-13-2009 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by Sky-Writing
03-13-2009 6:19 AM


Re: The Properly Humble Answer
-sky- writes:

I've work for 2 decades in the hard Sciences in Research & Development for Standard Oil in Naperville in Polymer development, Adhesive development, and a couple other oil related product fields. I'm currently at a Polymer producing company outside of Chicago. My uncle, a Chemist, brought up the subject of Special Creation a number of years ago. He's now retired with a nice pension from Abbott Laboratories where he developed the drugs we all take. A quiet man who chuckles about the world God has created.

The properly humble answer indeed. Is your position in these matters superior to all others due to your resume?

Me, I'm just a college dean with some knowledge of science who is always eager to learn more, hence my participation.

I never understood how something could come from nothing, and I finally found a more scientific model that proposes that rather than intelligence forming out of nothing, we were formed out of an intelligence.

That perception is OK with me as long as it does not interfere with the obvious facts observed and well explained by natural science. I don't think anyone really wants to bring back the plague just because they prefer ridin' that triceratops to curing Parkinson's.

Scientifically, it fits with reality much better. And all that I've learned in my years in the Lab. But thanks for the kind invitation to your hellish nightmare though.

Obviously your years {or any others you invoke} in the lab did not include the genetic cure for Parkinson's which would have been readily available if Bush had not suppressed science, which you also apparently agree with.

Yesterday my mother was buried in the military cemetery in Santa Fe. She died of Parkinson's.

Happy now asshole.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza


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