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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
It's up to the parents of the children in the schools to make sure the schools are hiring teachers that will require their kids to think critically. Consider that most (parents) believe that a God is responsible for our existence, so I'd go the Government route to ramrod in those guidelines. A tough choice, but if you think it'll hold up...go for it. - Sky-
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
The killer will be modern science and medicine which will do so much that eventually almost all will ask why there is a need for them to believe in God. Fundies will be converted by the love and grace that shines from your heart regarding all you say and do as you interact with people. No "killer" topics in science or medicine will do the job. - Sky-
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
ERV pattern evidence and human chromosome 2 evidence did not exist when most parents went to school. That's the "What we learned last week" tactic. I have used that one. So that would mean the idea didn't actually come from "facts" but that some "facts" were scraped up to support the theory. Which happens to be how R&D often works. I would suggest that such an all encompassing "law of nature" would be prevalent at every level of awareness. If you were raised by seals on seal island, you should see enough evidence to be able to figure out your origins using "seal" intellect. And I believe one can. Edited by -Sky-, : No reason given. - Sky-
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
A scientist (atheist or a theist who accepts science, and yes, this does imply that Creationists are not only anti-Evolution, but anti-science, in general) accepts only the statement, "show me and prove it through the scientific method". These worlds cannot be reconciled. Incorrect on most points. "Scientists" are human and subject to influence and bias, upbringing, social pressures, and money. The words "I believe" are a very normal part of a Scientists language.No different from anybody else. Men, women, gay, straight, bald, fat, skinny, nice, rude.....basically the same cross section you find in any building, anywhere. And every Creationist will ask you to PLEASE "show me and prove it through the scientific method". But we are talking ancient history...not even remotely connected with any verifiable experiments. Except for "Natural Selection". That part works to keep a species alive and intact in an imperfect world. Edited by AdminModulous, : off topic post hidden
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
The solution is to take, say Mississippi and Louisiana (so a lot won't have to move), toss all the Creationists in there. Call it Creoland. But, make sure they get none of the benefits from science, i.e. let them wallow in what the say they want. And let them take the consequences of their belief. The USA can be the rest of the country. Borders will remain open for immigration both ways, but no Creationist evangelism will be allowed in the USA and no teaching or bringing the benefits of science will be allowed in Creoland. How are the 48% of the US population who reject Darwinian Evolution going to fit? - Sky-
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
Maybe you'd like to point out where the conspiracy is hiding here. Not much deception is possible counting tree rings,or annual varve deposits, or annual ice layers. Those methods take us back in time 650,000 years. I don't know how we are going to verify those dates. Did one of the first 10 tree rings include a young lovers carved heart and a date? Are we absolutely sure that 20 alternating layers of course and fine silt can't be built up in a 60 minute time period? I'd be happy to show you that it can be done. I've done it myself, as a boy, in a sand box, with a hose. You've never done that? OK, maybe it took me 8 hours for 20 layers, until the sun went down and mom called me in anyway. Did the lowest level of snow have a dated coin? Did this dated coin have a weather chart on it verifying that the planet had the same weather patterns that only changed once per year like they do today? 1.I'm not going to argue with 700,000 years. Whatever Pope or Cardinal came up with an age of 10,000 years may have had a small boy on his lap at the time and been distracted. It happened in front of my dad as he worked on the Cardinals roof in Chicago in the 70's, it may have happened before that. 2.If I had a glass of wine that had just been handed to me by that "Man from Galilee", assuming I was a wine expert, I'd likely agree with the wine critic who was there and said it was the finest vintage he'd ever tasted. Let's say that he was "a scientist" rather than somebody Jesus hypnotized into saying that. That means it would taste like actual wine rather than water. Scientifically speaking, aged juice from grapes. The Creator of the wine meant no deception. He intended the wine to be fully functional, so it was. 3.Do I believe the weather was the same 5000 years ago as it is today? No. And yes, that's just a belief. Others insist/believe it was just like it is today. I've pointed out that the conspiracy is spiritual in nature. If a person is looking to disprove something, they will seek out evidence to support their decision and ignore, or even be blind to evidence to the contrary. Why do real scientists have disagreement about Global Warming? Don't we have ACTUAL data? Sure we do. Yet controversy exists, for whatever reasons. If the world seems older than it is, it's not because God intended deception. It's because the earth needed to have a solid surface to stand on and rock to build on. Mud or plain water was just not suitable for what all He had in mind. Edited by AdminModulous, : off topic post hidden
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
It's called natural science, as in physics, chemistry, geology, biology and all subsets. Don't knock it until you have tried it, or indeed even learned about it. Consider that God wrote the rocks and man wrote the books or one of mine "I believe in the works of God and not the words of men." For further elaboration see my signature. Now we all know ....Right Wing Authoritarian...unquestioned and preconceived notions...slave of the brain....hardwired...read both sides...informed decision...like...I have. (Edited down to the meaty parts) I've work for 2 decades in the hard Sciences in Research & Development for Standard Oil in Naperville in Polymer development, Adhesive development, and a couple other oil related product fields. I'm currently at a Polymer producing company outside of Chicago. My uncle, a Chemist, brought up the subject of Special Creation a number of years ago. He's now retired with a nice pension from Abbott Laboratories where he developed the drugs we all take. A quiet man who chuckles about the world God has created. I never understood how something could come from nothing, and I finally found a more scientific model that proposes that rather than intelligence forming out of nothing, we were formed out of an intelligence. Scientifically, it fits with reality much better. And all that I've learned in my years in the Lab. But thanks for the kind invitation to your hellish nightmare though. Edited by -Sky-, : Trimming to the meat Edited by AdminModulous, : off topic post hidden - Sky-
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
Like I said, I'm not going to argue about a 700,000 YO earth.
That's fine with me. I'm not concerned about what Exact year God Created our existence. Edited by -Sky-, : No reason given.
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
when oil isnt composed of leaves, thats coal. Oil is the decomposition product of organics such as kerogen from zooplankton and alga under anoxic conditions, heat and pressure. Google, dude. I accept a Google challenge. Maybe you should have done it first.I only found one answer that doesn't specifically mention plants. Where does crude oil come from? - Google Search By the way, experiments with organic matter take about 90 days to create crude oil like results. No pressure. Edited by AdminModulous, : off topic post hidden
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
I say this as a scientist, Ph.D., microbial genetics and biochemistry, and 40 years of practice thereof. You have no idea what science is. Then you know better than anyone here that Darwin added nothing to the bio sciences. Any pesant who breed dogs was already fully aware of the inherent diversity of DNA and how the selection process works over 1000 years before Darwin wore his first diaper. I have little exposure to how science works outside of R&D labs. That's true.I can only account for what I've seen happen in the trenches. Edited by -Sky-, : No reason given. Edited by AdminModulous, : off topic post hidden
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
Completely correct. I overlooked Darwin's
pioneering work on barnacles.
I stand corrected. (But certainly not "confronted". Only Bible Thumpers are guilty of that sin.) The man produced something of value to Science.
That's funny, because here in the real world, DNA wasn't discovered until the Nineteen-Fifties. Even Darwin was unaware of its existence. True, peasants didn't have the term "DNA" in their vocabulary. I used that term as part of my own vocabulary. They understood how "it" works enough to create one of the most genetically diverse species on the planet without any help from random mutations. Yes, they were also experts on "Natural" selection and Darwin offered no useful insights to that area. The weak die off and produce no weak offspring. Every dog breeder knew that. As for being "more careful"...Wouldn't it be great if you could control what I type? What a wonderful world you envision. Edited by AdminModulous, : off topic post hidden - Sky-
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Sky-Writing Member (Idle past 5152 days) Posts: 162 From: Milwaukee, WI, United States Joined: |
While you're at it how much plant matter produces how much coal? I think it was about 300 ft thick organic matter produced 1 foot thick of coal. Sometimes found with tree trunks still embedded in the coal seam. A coal miner from Appalachia may be more informed than me though. I'd ask him. Edited by AdminModulous, : off topic post hidden
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